Anyone care to sing “Shaibah Blues” ?
I joined 1950 and never, to the best of my recollection, had such an animal. If I did I certainly never wore them.
Nice to see the Polish AF marking on the nose of that Spitfire. I Always remember my Polish pilot being offered a slice of Battenberg cake and calling it “Polish Air Force cake”.
Lovely pics as always, thanks
Excellent shots. Particularly like the building site that was Heathrow in that era. I worked there late ’49 to July ’50.
Many thanks for those. Excepting of course the pic of how to ruin a Mosquito.
I went in ’49 and again in ’54. Great days, as someone said on the Malta thread, “when we had an air force”. I note some Nimrods have been reprieved for a few months, to help out over Libya.
So there is still life on Whatashame. What has happened to the Meatbox they were doing up?
For what it is worth here is my limited experience of jet v piston, taken again from the article I did for mossie.org
“There were various exercises during which we would simulate day bombers so that the four Vampire squadrons based at Deversoir could have a go at us. Joe would make me kneel on my seat and try and assess when the Vampires were reaching firing distance and call the break. With a little flap we could easily outturn them but with their superior speed I expect we were all held in their sights long enough for a kill at some time.”
There was no dual version of the Beaufighter and ISTR that a pilot being converted to type would have a trip with an experienced pilot and stand behind the pilots seat to gain experience. The situation could be reversed prior to the U/T pilot going solo.
To add what I had intended to include in my piece above.
The Tiger cat and all modern type big twins have handed engines, so torque is not so much a problem as in the Mossie. On two good engines the takeoff and landing swings could be quite violent if not anticipated. In level flight at low speed with the throttles closed the aircraft could be rolled to port if both throttles were banged open. Recovery from that roll would be from the resultant spin.
There are without doubt current pilots who could fly it successfully but they would need to be made fully aware of what faced them and recovery procedures.
Lets face it, at 19 I have sat beside another 19 year old with perfect confidence, knowing that he had been trained to fly it. And of course with the certain knowledge at that age that one is completely indestructable.
Brings back some memories, many thanks. Superb.
It would be usual practice for ‘Batchy’ Atcherley, who disregarded most rules to suit himself. Ultimately possibly responsible for his demise.
Re Mosquito flight characteristics. Perfectly safe on one provided the rules were obeyed otherwise it could bite back strongly. The attached is extracted from a piece I wrote for the mossie.org website here http://www.mossie.org/stories/Peter_Verney_2.htm
Please note that this refers to the NF36 which was heavier than alightly loaded T3. Also recommended safety speed on take off was 180 knots. the undercart had to be raised before 125 knots, it was a tremendous drag inducer anyway and the a/c would not accelerate very well with it lowered
“Carrying out all the usual exercises, amongst which pilots were required to undertake two practice single engine overshoots, and one single engine landing per month, so that they could cope when it really mattered. When on one engine the decision to land had to be made at 800′ at night, and 300′ by day, as the aircraft had to be dived while the undercarriage and flaps were retracting, to enable a safe climbing speed to be attained. While the Mosquito could be safely flown on one engine, it would not maintain height above 5,000′, and full power was required which could soon lead to the live engine overheating. It was an endurance test for the pilot as he had to keep the rudder held against the live engine. At the maximum speed under those conditions of about 155 knots it was fairly heavy, even with full rudder trim wound on, but the load increased as speed was reduced until at about 137 knots the pilot could no longer keep the aircraft straight and level. This so called safety speed had to be determined whenever an engine was shut down, as losing control under these circumstances was one of the leading causes of Mosquito accidents. Incidentally, the advice if an engine failed on take off and safety speed had not been attained was: put the aircraft down straight ahead. To attempt to turn led to the aircraft rolling over and diving in and many crews crashed in this way”
My brain’s not fully alert this morning – but what’s the name of the comms system used on QRA and the like, with a quick-disconnect bit that the groundcrew talks to aircrew via, and is designed to pull out when aircraft taxi’s out?
Just wondered if this box has some function in that?
Telescramble
That is an interesting site giving a wealth of information on a little known subjest.
As an aside about a third the way down the index my fathers service is given (Frank Verney)
And as another aside, on passing the scholarship, I went to school in 1943 to the Simon Langton school in Canterbury, there we had a barrage balloon stationed in the playground.
No Pagen01, that is RAF Kabrit, NF36 RL234, 12/8/52. While landing on the short runway at night, pilot landed a bit fast and a bit too far down the runway. Realising he would have to paddle out of the Little Bitter Lake if he let it run, he retracted the undercart.
The training films you mention were hilarious, I always remember the engine failure on take off one, where the aircraft runs much further than anticipated, always sure to raise a laugh.