Must admit Rich it looks like a Pup (Scout) to me, I cant see any sign of the forward ‘hump’ affect that appears on the Camel, and the prop looks further forward.
It must be my aged eyes!
I don’t have much time at mo, but just a quick input from me.
I think if the Americans had adopted the Angled deck during the early war period that it would have prevented alot of the forward deck accidents that did occur, and thus lives in what was a difficult time for USN aviators.
Yes the earlier carriers only had the angle painted on, the actual physical additions to the port waists came later. There was plenty of deck space to angle the runway across.
I am surprised at the reference that the wires and barriers weren’t initially angled with the ‘runway’ though.
Edit, I can’t find reference at mo, but I’m under the impression that both Audacious Class carriers, Eagle R-05 and Ark Royal R-09, were commenced with straight through decks, and later modded (possibly just after commision?) for angled deck sections, the angle of which was later modified again.
I must stress that I meant purely in a safety sense that the angled deck would have been useful in the earlier days, I don’t think it would have enabled many more launchings, but could have prevented far more aircraft with hook, U/C, fusalage seperations etc from sliding into aircraft ranged on the forward area.
Piston types were capable of bolters then, that became a real problem with the service entry of early jets with their far higher approach speeds and their engines were far slower to pool up in responce to the throttle – which neatly brings us back as to why the angled deck was such a good invention at its time.
And unless I’m very much mistaken, is that a Marathon uper cockpit section (glazed bit) in front of the Mossies in first pic?
I was stood on that very spot a couple of months ago, apart from the lack of aircraft nothing has changed – a classic expansion period aerodrome.
I think our own Mk12 had a Hornet picture published in Aeroplane Monthly taken in the same area.
I thought engines were designed to go that way for left hand circuits, the same reason as Islands are on the right?
That has always struck me as good way of recreating a scale flying Stirling, substitute those lovely little Pobjoys for Lycomings…
Like you I find it a fascinating excercise, a pre war Avro 707 in a way.
I hope something turns up for you.
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I didn’t realise that was how Tucanos were delivered!
Cracking shots BTW.
I don’t think that the angled ‘runway’ necesarily required large mods to the deck, or any significant loss in existing capability, storage etc, the fact that some ships were later heavily modified is irrelevent to the main point and time frame. It could be applied by paint and still give a seperate safe landing on area and a ranging area forward.
I still think that deck safety would have been the main beneficiery of the invention at that time, and safety took a low order after operational considerations and costs in those days.
Would the angled deck have been invented at all without the poor low speed performance and handling of early jets, and the restricted size of British carriers (even Audacious class)?
The Americans may never have had to invent it?
Is it an early Fairchild Cornell?
surely you can see this? If everyone ‘had something for nothing’ then would there be any need to preserve stuff? no.
Err no’ your argument dosen’t stand, as some of us have very little disposable income, but are not chavs and are doing our (all be it little) bit for preservation.
Passion is what drives most us, and I should imagine that even some of the big players in historic aviation started with not alot.
I can only echo previous posts, and you have, maybe unintentionally, just had a go at two people of renown in preservation.
Gavin, I think everyone is entitled to voice an opinion here (I hope), but you did quote two people that do their part in historic aero preservation to put across your argument.
No need to keep your mouth shut, just think about your posts and who you might be quoting from.
In some ways I do agree with you about the Ebay thing, it is a double edged sword. For most of us it has never been better for finding items that we want for resto projects and collections, which was extremely difficult before, but the flip side is that some of the prices being asked are absolutely stupid as a result of the popularity of Ebay.
At the end of the day though the seller can ask for what they want, its up to the buyer if they want to pay the price.
Good call Farlam!
When WL795 was first taken in and rubbed down in 1988 I don’t ever remember seeing any art work for Rosalie, I don’t know wether the elements had bleached it out or wether it was removed deliberately.
Would love to see examples of the art work though
I might have some pictures somewhere if it helps! :confused:
Yes it would be good to see all the characters here in one thread
Nice pic. I would upload pics to a free host, such as photobucket. You then link your pics to the post and it dosen’t use up any quota, the pics are a nice size, and they are available to use elsewhere.