Apparently it was a nickname coined due to the length of the trailer and that of the Queen Mary, seems strange to think now as they don’t look that long compared with modern trailers.
I should learn to read more thoroughly!:o
Nice summarization Dave, hopefully the links provided should help Simon out with who operated what and when.
Will delete post#2 as irrelevant.
I would agree with Alan Clark, if it is WH132 it is the T.7 that moved to Leconfield via St Athan.
That is fantastic Richard, amazing attention to detail, in fact one is in two minds whether I would want to see it fly or not – on balance I would!
That is fantastic Richard, amazing attention to detail, in fact one is in two minds whether I would want to see it fly or not – on balance I would!
I think people are possibly missing the point here, as I read it Bruce is asking about projects that specifically have a webpage, blog, or some kind of social page that the progress of the restoration can be viewed or followed on and linked here to.
Just naming restorations is easy enough.
The Museum Of Flights’ Comet and Cutlass restorations are ambitious, and can be viewed here, http://rbogash.com/restore_capab.html
I think people are possibly missing the point here, as I read it Bruce is asking about projects that specifically have a webpage, blog, or some kind of social page that the progress of the restoration can be viewed or followed on and linked here to.
Just naming restorations is easy enough.
The Museum Of Flights’ Comet and Cutlass restorations are ambitious, and can be viewed here, http://rbogash.com/restore_capab.html
I’m a little more out my comfort zone there (i.e. Need to check) but I think the later ones (AEW) were overall Dark Sea Grey and that might have been the colour on white/grey ones (Early ones were of course MSG over white!!)
EDSG was specified for MR (post ’55) and AEW Shacks.
I think the DSG business comes from viewing aircraft that have faded after a while, after all they were kept outside in salt laden environments immediately after repaints.
If you compare an AEW Shack colour to the grey used on RAF camo’d combat aicraft such as Lightnings etc you can really notice the difference, even if the lightness of the tone becomes similar between the two there is a faint blue tint in EDSG that makes it somehow distinctive & ‘richer’ in appearance.
This subject was exhaustively looked into when we repainted WL795 for the first time, and original service litrature was used (and paint I think!).
Newarks’ latest repaint of their MR.3 looks perfect and has that ‘rich’ tone.
Wessex were of course in service during some of the Shackleton’s career – how’s that JT!
I’m a little more out my comfort zone there (i.e. Need to check) but I think the later ones (AEW) were overall Dark Sea Grey and that might have been the colour on white/grey ones (Early ones were of course MSG over white!!)
EDSG was specified for MR (post ’55) and AEW Shacks.
I think the DSG business comes from viewing aircraft that have faded after a while, after all they were kept outside in salt laden environments immediately after repaints.
If you compare an AEW Shack colour to the grey used on RAF camo’d combat aicraft such as Lightnings etc you can really notice the difference, even if the lightness of the tone becomes similar between the two there is a faint blue tint in EDSG that makes it somehow distinctive & ‘richer’ in appearance.
This subject was exhaustively looked into when we repainted WL795 for the first time, and original service litrature was used (and paint I think!).
Newarks’ latest repaint of their MR.3 looks perfect and has that ‘rich’ tone.
Wessex were of course in service during some of the Shackleton’s career – how’s that JT!
I’ll miss the Andover but not its screaming Darts outside my office window.
What! They make lovely sound, possibly my favourite engine noise!
Just thinking out aloud, once this (these?) aircraft is retired will that be the end of the good old Dart in active duty aswel?
It would be great to see both of these great aircraft survive, they must be amongst the best examples of their types around, however JT442 is probably, sadly, correct in what he says.
Edit, just thought that there’s probably a still a few F-27s about!
I’ll miss the Andover but not its screaming Darts outside my office window.
What! They make lovely sound, possibly my favourite engine noise!
Just thinking out aloud, once this (these?) aircraft is retired will that be the end of the good old Dart in active duty aswel?
It would be great to see both of these great aircraft survive, they must be amongst the best examples of their types around, however JT442 is probably, sadly, correct in what he says.
Edit, just thought that there’s probably a still a few F-27s about!
The first (and second for a while) NA.39 did have blue top sides, not as dark as Oxford I would say, more middish in tone. It appears like this in many photos, the classic Airfix kit, and on the Buccaneer site, http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/NA39_XK486_files/0_NA39_XK486.html
I would think the paint was applied at Brough, and not linked to the blue paint on Wessex.
From then they did wear the service representative EDSG over white (apart from the all white S.1s), and EDSG all over.
The first (and second for a while) NA.39 did have blue top sides, not as dark as Oxford I would say, more middish in tone. It appears like this in many photos, the classic Airfix kit, and on the Buccaneer site, http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/NA39_XK486_files/0_NA39_XK486.html
I would think the paint was applied at Brough, and not linked to the blue paint on Wessex.
From then they did wear the service representative EDSG over white (apart from the all white S.1s), and EDSG all over.
Interesting Dave, my understanding (thus open to any corrections, with evidence!) is that every fixed-wing FAA combat aircraft from the early 1950s (maybe earlier?) through to the early Sea Harriers FRS.1s were specified to be painted in EDSG top & sides. Same colour used on Shackleton MR under & sides (all over on mid period MR & AEW).
DSG only being used by the RAF in their standard two tone grey/green camoflage of the post war era.
EDSG dosen’t seem to be that much different from EDG, just slightly darker with a hint of blue.
Absolutely agree that weathering of the paint plays a major part of paint colour perception (and misconception), especially with maritime and FAA aircraft.
The NA.39 development aircraft certainly do seem to have had a unique blue upper scheme, which I had assumed was applied by Blackburns rather than the service.
I know that the subject of paint and shades can be a bit of an emotive one!
Interesting Dave, my understanding (thus open to any corrections, with evidence!) is that every fixed-wing FAA combat aircraft from the early 1950s (maybe earlier?) through to the early Sea Harriers FRS.1s were specified to be painted in EDSG top & sides. Same colour used on Shackleton MR under & sides (all over on mid period MR & AEW).
DSG only being used by the RAF in their standard two tone grey/green camoflage of the post war era.
EDSG dosen’t seem to be that much different from EDG, just slightly darker with a hint of blue.
Absolutely agree that weathering of the paint plays a major part of paint colour perception (and misconception), especially with maritime and FAA aircraft.
The NA.39 development aircraft certainly do seem to have had a unique blue upper scheme, which I had assumed was applied by Blackburns rather than the service.
I know that the subject of paint and shades can be a bit of an emotive one!