Bruce, the AAIB do get involved in military A/C accident investigation, believe they are ‘contracted’ to the MoD to lend their expertise to the role.
I know this from where I work.
Fighters were usually given names suggesting speed or aggresion
RAF naming policy in those days did follow rules, they just changed the rules every so often!
True but then fighters would have had aggressive and dramatic sort of names anyway (apart from Spidercrab!), and in some cases were alliterative to the manufacturer and used beyond the RAF, ie Supermarine Scimitar for the FAA, they don’t seem to fit a single policy.
The V-Force names do seem to be the result of a distinct naming policy, only the Valiant reflects the manufacturers name and even then is a clear departure from their previous types names (Wellington, Warwick, Windsor).
As natural as Handley Page Victor sounds to us now it would have been a massive departure from their normal alliterative naming pattern (Heyford, Hampden, Halifax) and with Sir ‘Fredy’ not exactly known for conformity within the industry it makes the name choice even more surprising.
So the V Force names represent a clear break from using UK/Commonwealth place names (unlike same era EE Canberra) and alliterative naming for one of the companies (Avro didn’t seem to follow that, Manchester, Lancaster, Lincoln).
Just be nice to tie down if this ‘V’ name policy came about handily as result of the Valiant being named or whether there was a clear directive at the AM?
So why didn’t jet fighters get names beginning with V?!
Great question though, previously British bombers were named after areas within the UK.
Be interesting to know if this policy of using triumphant words beginning with ‘V’ started with the naming of the Vickers Valiant or whether there was a clear decision at the AM to do this earlier. Of course the fact that these aircraft had swept leading edges (very moderate with the Valiant though) helped to reinforce the V-force moniker in the public’s mind.
Interesting that RAF fighters of the era didn’t seem to follow a certain trend in naming.
An excellent little film, seems somehow a bit different from other military based docs of the time.
It, and Critters post, brings home just how serious these post-war brushfire conflicts were and indeed there does seem to a bit of history repeating itself, especially in regard of landmine threat and the extreme landscape that the services had to adapt to and fight in.
Some of the best Beverley in action footage I’ve ever seen there, when people say how inept these types were it is good to see films like this where it is hard to imagine other aircraft types of the era being able to do the same job of moving bulky loads on unprepared landing strips. Great Argosy and Belvedere footage aswel.
Lovely art deco terminal building, and what looks like a Boulton and Paul VR1 hangar. I think that what appears to be a Miles Gemini on the ground would make it post-war, in fact is that a Bedford CA in the car park to the right?
Jim, honestly keep your Daily Mail style outbursts for GD, Cabbage is obviously hoping for a reaction and you are fuelling it.
The thread doesn’t need shutting as for the most part it is an adult discussion on a modern military issue.
Probably more interesting with the engines attached, super detail heaven – or hell!
Finding shots of B-26s being scrapped does seem quite difficult.
These aren’t, but then the engines are fitted and I’m guessing the nosegears retracted/lopped off! http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/B-26-Marauder/B-26-Photos/pages/43-34342-B-26G-Marauder-322BG450BS-ER-W-scrapped-Landsberg-Germany-1945-01.html
I can’t help thinking that they become tail sitters without those mighty engines attached.
Ah, yes, very subtle, some good reference here http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/mark6.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/army_paint.html&usg=__H2IHEr_yAJi6rxPPTXsS2GpeU0Y=&h=361&w=557&sz=45&hl=en&start=68&zoom=1&tbnid=ygDlD8uc8ZgUCM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=133&ei=cIVSTsGnK8WChQeTldjYBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dusaaf%2Binsignia%26start%3D63%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ACAW_enGB337GB337%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1 (scroll half way down to Sept ’43)
In effect there is a thin blue circle and border that goes around the original blue disc with the white star and the white bars, so the points of the star in effect meet the white bars.
I have genuinely learnt something new:)
Again, as I said in post 13, aerodrome* seems to have been generally applied across the many different types of airfield, including military, however officially that wasn’t the correct term for a AM/RAF airfield.
Even some service personal would be influenced by the abundance of aerodromes pre their service days.
Although aerodrome has now got quite precise meanings for licencing and regulation reasons it was quite a general term for anywhere that had flying activity.
*In the same way as charabanc seems to have generally been applied over different types of buses and coaches.
Sorry to harp on but as the thread kind of revolves around definitions it feels best to discuss them.
Now when the site was developed for military flying purposes it was of course an RAF aerodrome, subsequently referred to as an MU, then Kemble Airfield and now Cotswold Airport.
See post #14, RAF had airfields as defined by their regs and layed out in A.P.3236 or AM Works. RAF Kemble was an ASU airfield with MUs based on it.
I can’t get on with ‘Cotswold Airport’ title at all though (airport? again refer back to post #14!)
If it’s the one I’m thinking of then no, as that was regarding an established place name and not two descriptive words.
Aeroplane, like aerodrome is Greek derived, aeros = air, plane = planos. The French seem to have used these terms right from the start and Im guessing that their influence over early aviation in general has ensured the widespread use of them?
Very interesting link James, though it really backs up the American use of airplane and the continued use of aeroplane in Britain until very recently.
Technically of course the two words are correct for what they describe, but it is funny how some find airplane so wrong.
I suppose a graph showing the abbreviation of plane would look similar in both versions of English?
Some are certainly the same pictures, (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1934/1934%20-%201117.html?search=mildenhall), but nice to see them presented like this.
I guess aeroplane in common usage is disapearing as quickly as aerodrome.
It’s funny how airfield is in proper use and has been for a long time, but airplane is seen as not quite right!