this one?

Essum, nice illustration!:)

I would love to know the background on that P-63 section, must be faily unique worldwide. Is it in another thread somewhere?

I don’t quite follow that, any refund for item not received should come from the Post Office/courier, and if damaged or other through Paypal /Ebay protection policy, I’ve never heard of being made to pay out yourself?

One thing I (and others) have noticed is that the Fest is one place where shiny pointy jets are king! Not saying it is wrong, how could I as I have feet in both jet and piston camps!? Jets are more glamorous and popular with the public. What do others think?

Interesting point, my interpretation is that a lot of people are now of a generation that all they have known are jets wizzing around the sky. If they are anything like me they will have have viewed these aircraft with a certain amount of awe and fascination and to now be able to view the relatively complex cockpit of one, and see the ejection seat, the myriad of guages and levers now unravels that mystery.
As cockpit exhibits they are usually complete from the tip of the nose to just aft of the cockpit or jet intakes, so straight away look dramatic or at least most can easily visualise it on the complete aircraft.

It is interesting that the piston fighter/trainer types often seem to be represented only from engine firewall to seat, I’m guessing this is because of cost and weight issues of sticking the engine and prop on the front?
Obviously this dosen’t matter on a multi engined type where a whole nose section can easily be displayed.

The public will always go for a more complete looking cockpit, however at these events there are also a great deal of enthusiasts and people with a bit of engineering bent, and I’m sure they appreciate all the exhibits equally, from the smaller instrument and internals displays, through the half cockpits, and to the whole front ends, and the huge effort and dedication that goes into all of them.

Having said all that I’m very surprised that no pictures of the Hornet project have been posted up, surely one of the forums’ more well known projects:confused:

I have a typed spec sheet giving 34.2 on later marks, and there is an online resource that lists every Halifax mark and the wingspan, and gives the later models as 34.2, darned if I can find it at the moment.
However it looks like I and that source were wrong, and you could be right, ‘Flight’ lists the Halton (which had the final wing) wingspan as 103’8″ (31.6m)

Another difference between Halifax and Hastings wings that I had overlooked is that the outboard engines on the former are mounted on the main outer wing panels (ie outboard of the joint) whereas the later has the outboard engines mounted on the intermediate wing section (ie inboard of the joint), which does suggest to me that this part of the wing is at least different, and probably increased in span.

However the difference according to Pagen01 is only 0.2 of a meter, what’s that – 6″ or 7″. Hardly noticable!

And I should stress that this is reliant on how accurate the info is out there, my hunch is that late Halifax (VI on) & Hastings could actually be the same span.
We really need quite accurate data to determine this for sure. The surest way of finding out is measuring between the centres of the two engines on one side of both a genuine Halifax and a Hastings wing

The Halifax III was 104′ 2″ (34.2m) span and the Hastings 113′ (36.6m). The difference being in the mid wing panels. Hence the different taper of the mid wing sections. The Hastings has less dihederal as exhibited on the Elvington examples wings.

104’2″ is 31.74 Meters and 113′ is 34.4 Meters;)

John that kind of misses the point that later Halifaxs’ (VI on) had the 34.2m span,
In post #40 I wondered if it was the distance between the inner and outer engines that was extended, but I now doubt that and lean towards the extra 9′ being achieved purely in the wingtip extensions.

Re wingspans and fuselage set ups, JA puts a good point across with the Lancaster etc. I actually think that the Lincoln wing is a better illustration, it was fitted to the narrow slab sided Lincoln fuselage mid height, the wider Shackleton fuselage mid height, and the much wider and circular section fuselage of the Tudor and Ashton as a low mounted wing, yet the 120′ wing span never changed at all.

In short I lean towards the extended span of late Halifax and the Hastings as being similar, if not the same.

Should be clarified that XX494 on EBay isn’t an ex Royal Navy Jetstream.

My hope is that, if ZA111 is “not for sale” then it is because it has been “tagged” for preservation with the FAA Museum. Or, at the very least, they have “first call” on ZA111, and it will only be sold off if the FAA Museum turn it down.

ZA111 is the Jetstream T.2 under care of the SFDO at Culdrose for evacuation training use by fire the section, believe from my friend there that it is engine and wingless now.
More on the RN Jetstream T.2s and ZA111s significance here, http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=107455