We will agree to disagree about radio 2…

No, let’s agree that you agree with me.

Actually seeing you and Jim going on reminded me of another class bit of telly, the Muppet Show, do you remember that and the two old geezers at the end that whinged about everything? Oops that was an ITV show, what made me think of that?!:D

Excellent picture JetFlap, there can’t be too many colour photo’s around of Vulcans in the early silver finish.

I second that, there is something about the pureness of the original design showing through with the silver B.1s.

Would the spotify business model work with commercial tv, you can watch stuff for free but get the adverts, pay a fee and get it without the adverts, not quite sure how it could be implemented but it’s a though.

No because certain restraints would still have be in place to satisfy audiences, share holders, and potential advertisers.
As an example most of the stories about say the X Factor scandals in the newspapers etc are ‘pumped up’ so as to increase advertising and thus revenue for the broadcaster.
The model that the BBC works to dosen’t have to worry about any of those constraints, as long as it educates and entertains.

Completely disagree about R2, nothing else matches it SH.
But we can’t argue about what we personally like or dislike as regard the output, that is utterly pointless as there is an audience for all of it.

There aren’t any radio stations that come close to R2, 3, & 4 or indeed the regional BBC radio stations.
Commercial radio really is dire, playing the same stuff over and over (to appease share holders and audiences alike), dreadful adverts every 10-15 minutes, and no decent news, travel, weather, and shipping info.
And getting back to the comedies, let’s not forget that most of them started on the radio.
Even things like East Enders, I hate it, I dare say you do, but it is a well produced programme who’s actors work harder than anyone in the business and it appeals to a huge audience.

I’m sorry but when you get down to the guts of it there isn’t anything like the Beeb at all levels and it has to be payed for, the licence fee being the farest way.

I’ve just cacelled Sky, mainly due to finacial reasons but also because me and the missus sat down and worked out that there ias absloutely nothing to watch on it, in fact the things we actually missed where BBC repeats!

Here’s a question though, increasingly we are having TV streamed to computors through broadband cables, their are computors being built with TV reception and playback as being important and indeed TVs which double as computors.
If one chosse this as the sole way of recieving TV stations, do you still need to pay the licence?

I don’t for one minute disssagree with you, and whilst not pleading poverty, being an a fixed budget, I realy do think £145.. is a lot of money for some folks, on top of everything else we have to fork out for.
I for one am dreading the cost of my gas and electric fuei bills next year.

Well that’s another thing I don’t get people moaning about £145 a year for a nice luxury, but no one seems to mention the lifes essentials like the gas and electric which is rocketing up to stupid levels, and the daily shop going up aswel.

SH whether you like the radio and the website or not, it is completely irrelvant, the fact is is that the radio service (R2-4 for sure 1, 5 & 6 have their place!) is an excellent one and the site (especially the news) is highly respected and relyed on by some.
As for the ‘chair champion’ that sounds like a union driven thing, something that invades most public bodies I’m afraid, even the control tower where I work and where all the otherwise good swivel seats have just been changed because they had to go from four legs to five on safety grounds!

I thought you liked all things Fairey!:D

I think you mean ” two 8 cylinder engines “.

Sorry meant 12 cylinders, 2 x 12 = P.24 Monach H-24 engine, the P.16 Prince H-16 engine was made up of two eight cylinder halves.
Both operate in the same way, ie two sets of individual moving parts driving their own crankshafts arranged in a common crankcase as one powerplant.

Maybe it’s the P.16 in the picture (certainly seeing multiples of four), but I thought it was the P.24 that is kept at the FAAM?:confused:

Jim, your last post is a good an argument for the BBC remaining non commercial as any!

SH, I was deliberately over simplifying things for arguments sake.
I guess it really comes down to if you want to pay for good telly or not really, and personally I’m very happy paying £145.50 a year and sticking with the way things are.
Don’t forget that we are also contributing to an excellent worldwide radio service and website, as far as I know no other single body provides anything near.
I dare say that there is waste within the BBC, take the F1 as an example, do we really need Jordan and Coultard to be payed commentators when you already have a main and some secondary commentators there?
But if you think that any government or large public organisation can be run without waste I think you’re living in an ideal dreamland.

Shame that Television Centre at Shepards Bush is now up for sale, and I see it has caused quite an outcry from within the BBC.
I did two weeks ND work experience there in 1991, which I loved.