Jim, your last post is a good an argument for the BBC remaining non commercial as any!
SH, I was deliberately over simplifying things for arguments sake.
I guess it really comes down to if you want to pay for good telly or not really, and personally I’m very happy paying £145.50 a year and sticking with the way things are.
Don’t forget that we are also contributing to an excellent worldwide radio service and website, as far as I know no other single body provides anything near.
I dare say that there is waste within the BBC, take the F1 as an example, do we really need Jordan and Coultard to be payed commentators when you already have a main and some secondary commentators there?
But if you think that any government or large public organisation can be run without waste I think you’re living in an ideal dreamland.
Shame that Television Centre at Shepards Bush is now up for sale, and I see it has caused quite an outcry from within the BBC.
I did two weeks ND work experience there in 1991, which I loved.
The nose gear is the same as the Comet (apart from beefing up) and is mounted in the same position, so quite high up in the Nimrod structure and retaining the long nose gear leg.
Outward opening doors would have been two close to the ground, and there is room inside for the inward opening type, the upshot of that is they have to wait for the gear to be completly retracted before they can close.
Al – great picture at Luqa – can you date it?
Very good chance that Al is correct with Feb – April 1970 as the 893 sqn Vixens were regularly detatched to Luqa off the Victorious then. The Sqn disbanded in July.
Excellent photo!
Public service broadcasting should not be concerned with ratings. It should only be concerned with the highest quality drama, documentary and current affairs. It should also forfeit the vast sums it pays for soccer and spend less on sports which are popular but far cheaper to broadcast.
The reality is SkyHigh is that it has to appeal to all audiences to some degree, the way I see it is this, the BBC leads with quality dramas, documentries etc and the other channels try and follow, commercial channels lead with reality and popurlist shows (XFactor, big Brother etc) and the BBC tries to have a go with them.
I always think the perfect example of licence fee versus commercial telly is the Sky At Night, it has been running for 56 years, it is no frills factual quality tv, presented by the same chap in all that time, and appeals to a small audience – which commercial channel in their right mind would air it in the first place, let alone justify keeping it going that long.
Public service broadcasting should not be concerned with ratings. It should only be concerned with the highest quality drama, documentary and current affairs. It should also forfeit the vast sums it pays for soccer and spend less on sports which are popular but far cheaper to broadcast.
The reality is SkyHigh is that it has to appeal to all audiences to some degree, the way I see it is this, the BBC leads with quality dramas, documentries etc and the other channels try and follow, commercial channels lead with reality and popurlist shows (XFactor, big Brother etc) and the BBC tries to have a go with them.
I always think the perfect example of licence fee versus commercial telly is the Sky At Night, it has been running for 56 years, it is no frills factual quality tv, presented by the same chap in all that time, and appeals to a small audience – which commercial channel in their right mind would air it in the first place, let alone justify keeping it going that long.
It should be noted that this Fairey P.24 powerplant actually consists of two 16 cylinder engines which operated completely independently of each other and drove their own crank and prop shafts, ie they weren’t coupled in any way.
Each unit could therefore be shut down, the idea being plenty of power when needed for take-off, striking etc, and one engine for economical cruising and loitering, it was envisaged for use in the Spearfish and early Type Q (Gannet forerunner).
The basic principle was later resurrected for the Double Mamba gas turbine unit, which Fairey worked very closley with Armstrong Siddeley motors to develop.
I think the quality and renown of the BBCs output is being ovelooked here.
As far as I’m aware no single American or foreign TV channel is in the same league in this regard, be they commercial (the majority) or otherwise.
The BBC couldn’t do what it does without the licence fee as it wouldn’t be affordable, or with advertising as a commercial channel as it would be bound by commercial and advertising restraints and answerable to boards of share holders etc.
If there was no actual licence fee we would have to pay for it one way or another, probably by taxation where everyone would have to pay.
Licence means if you want to watch TV in this country you have to pay, and if you don’t want to pay you don’t have to have TV, simple.
When it comes to the quality and bravery of output of the BBC have we forgotten the Dads Army thread already?! It is doubtfull that it or most of the other comedies mentioned there would have been taken on by commercial channels, and certainly not given the high production values of the beeb.
Lets just take this very small sector,
The Goons
Around The Horn
Various Peter Cook & Dudley Moore shows
Spike Milligan various shows
Royal Variety
Tommy Cooper
Hancocks Half Hour, and various others
Till Death Us Do Part
Morcombe & Wise
Steptoe And Son
Monty Python
The Two Ronnies
Dads Army
Sykes, Eric Syke & Hattie Jaques
Porridge
Dave Allen
Fawlty Towers
The Good Life
Open All Hours
Fall And Rise Of Reginald Perrin
Kenny Everrett
Yes Minister
Only fools And Horses
The Young Ones
Black Adder
Harry Enfield
Bottom
Waiting For God
House Of Cards
Red Dwarf
One Foot in the Grave
Absolutely Fabulous
The Fast Show
The League of Gentleman
Allen Partridge
Little Britain
Vicar Of Dibley
The Office
The Armstrong And Miller Show
The Thick Of It
Come Fly With Me
Horrible Histories
you might not like some of them, but they are all noteable, have big audiences, and in some cases groundbreaking.
Don’t even get me started on the News, Dramas, Wildlife, Documetries, Kids telly output!
I think the quality and renown of the BBCs output is being ovelooked here.
As far as I’m aware no single American or foreign TV channel is in the same league in this regard, be they commercial (the majority) or otherwise.
The BBC couldn’t do what it does without the licence fee as it wouldn’t be affordable, or with advertising as a commercial channel as it would be bound by commercial and advertising restraints and answerable to boards of share holders etc.
If there was no actual licence fee we would have to pay for it one way or another, probably by taxation where everyone would have to pay.
Licence means if you want to watch TV in this country you have to pay, and if you don’t want to pay you don’t have to have TV, simple.
When it comes to the quality and bravery of output of the BBC have we forgotten the Dads Army thread already?! It is doubtfull that it or most of the other comedies mentioned there would have been taken on by commercial channels, and certainly not given the high production values of the beeb.
Lets just take this very small sector,
The Goons
Around The Horn
Various Peter Cook & Dudley Moore shows
Spike Milligan various shows
Royal Variety
Tommy Cooper
Hancocks Half Hour, and various others
Till Death Us Do Part
Morcombe & Wise
Steptoe And Son
Monty Python
The Two Ronnies
Dads Army
Sykes, Eric Syke & Hattie Jaques
Porridge
Dave Allen
Fawlty Towers
The Good Life
Open All Hours
Fall And Rise Of Reginald Perrin
Kenny Everrett
Yes Minister
Only fools And Horses
The Young Ones
Black Adder
Harry Enfield
Bottom
Waiting For God
House Of Cards
Red Dwarf
One Foot in the Grave
Absolutely Fabulous
The Fast Show
The League of Gentleman
Allen Partridge
Little Britain
Vicar Of Dibley
The Office
The Armstrong And Miller Show
The Thick Of It
Come Fly With Me
Horrible Histories
you might not like some of them, but they are all noteable, have big audiences, and in some cases groundbreaking.
Don’t even get me started on the News, Dramas, Wildlife, Documetries, Kids telly output!
It certainly has and makes perfect sense, you are painting over metal and all its detail like the real aircraft would be.
Fantastic work.:)
Am I imagining it, or has it got some very odd bomb doors fitted? I recall the B24 had a sort of roller blind arrangement (and I’m sure I remember reading somewhere that for some reason they’d slowly creep open on the ground), and whatever it has isn’t those.
They are the standard doors fitted, the visual confusion maybe is that the doors operate like roller garage doors or the top of a roll top desk but externally they have a smooth skin over them. Thus externally they look like flush and solid doors but from the inside you see the corrugations, operating rollers, rails, and sprockets etc.
As Bomberboy says they roll up the fuselage externally and follow the changes in fuselage section contour.
It seems the doors were left ajar on the ground and duing take off to allow venting in the bomb bay, they were also designed to collapse under the weight of the bombs should they fall without the doors rolling up first.
Welcome Angus, it sounds like you are possibly referring to the two Shackletons that were on the Kinloss fire dump, one was a T.4 (WB847 B) and the other an MR.3 (XF730 F), with the former looking a lot worse than than the other.
And not made or have anything to do with Hollywood, I think that is the point.
And not made or have anything to do with Hollywood, I think that is the point.
Looks and sounds like the crew conducted their job above and beyond, to make the hard decision to get the aircraft down as soon as possible and into a clear area before the possibility of the loss of life could increase.
It is very unfortunate that the fire had taken hold enough for it to destroy the aircraft once down.
Looking through the pictures in ZRX61s link the heat damage looks tremendous, especially the shot of the front spar and fuselage frame area.
What a horrible sight to watch.:(