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  • in reply to: Last VC10 K3 #957457
    pagen01
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    The last RAF VC10 K3 has flown to Bruntingthorpe for dismantling.
    http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/last-flight-of-vc10-k3-19032013
    mmitch.

    Have K.3s ZA147, ‘148 & ‘150 all been removed from service then?
    I was under the impression that they, C.1K XR808 and K.4 XD241 make up the current fleet?

    Have heard that the Scottish group are after the sole surviving K.4, which would be great news if they succeed.

    in reply to: Sky Arts2 another programme to watch #958192
    pagen01
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    Wish l had seen that.

    Funny, the spinner question was asked recently about the Fairey Battle.

    The Skyraider never used a prop spinner across the many variants, which seemed fairly standard across US Navy carrier types, especially the heavier medium-performance types such as the Avenger, even the high-performance fighters such as the Corsair, Hellcat, Fireball, Tigercat & Bearcat didn’t have spinners fitted.
    I can only think that the advantages of saving weight, more airflow through the engine, and having quick maintenance access to the prop hub was more important than any aerodynamic advantage given by having a spinner attached.

    in reply to: Grumman AF Guardian #958361
    pagen01
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    Rob I can only post by phone at the mo, hence can’t be very allaborative.

    The point I made about seeing pics of Guardians in pairs, and not others is that because it was two aircraft that looked the same, but doing two roles.
    Grumman and the Navy were trying to make a point about its effectiveness.
    As others have said, it was done before, all be it with aircraft that wouldn’t have been specifically designed to do one precise job or the other.
    If the call came, Guardians would have had to operate in groups rather than pairs anyhow, note more 2S strikers built than the 2W pickets.
    I think a low number of late Guardians were actually built as combined hunter/killers.
    The type is interesting as an early type to use ECM and MAD to help in its role of hunting subs.

    The concept of pairs was revised with the early helicopter AS operations, where consideration of range and weight effectively meant that one aircraft operated as a hunter and the other as strike.

    I would think the reason that the Guardian isn’t more desirable on the display circuit is that it just too much of an unkown low production type for most.

    in reply to: Grumman AF Guardian #958523
    pagen01
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    Gannets didn’t operate in pairs as they, along with the Tracker combined the hunter and the killer roles into one airframe. They were the first examples of this for both the Royal Navy and US Navy, as well as becoming standard across NATO and western Navies.
    Fairey had been working on a combined carrier based radar picket and sub striker since the mid 1940s when it was found that existing types were too small and short ranged to lift the newer more effective radar and the weapons – something that the long-range land based types were becoming quite successful at.
    The new type would have to be twin engined and be capacious, for the range, power, and weapons uplift requirements, hence why Fairey went down the double engined route.

    My understanding is that the Guardian came about as a compromise because Grumman couldn’t come up with a single airframe to house all the kit, especially the large ANS-20 radar, particularly in the time frame required. They would later develop the outstanding Tracker but that, and the Gannet were still a long way off service entry.

    My understanding is that as radar equiped sub hunters came along, such as to the Swordfish III, later Avengers and Fireflys etc that they were operated in groups with the radar picket providing information to the strike aircraft, they did have the smaller (and just effective) pod mounted radars.

    Why do you see pics of pairs of Guardians, possibly because they were designed in that siamese way they were shown off as such, I would think a pair was sufficient for pinpointing and attacking one sub, but more substantial battles would require a radar picket and several strike aircraft.

    in reply to: Grumman AF Guardian #959002
    pagen01
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    No, it was the last of that concept.
    The Gannet and the Grumman Tracker introduced the idea of decently equiped combinations of search and strike roles into one carrier based airframe.
    It possibly stands out as the AF-2W was so obviously the radar picket with its large APS-20 radar and the AF-2S the striker, where as previous anti-submarine aircaft (still relatively few at that time) had been operated in a similar way but didn’t look that different from each other.

    Some Guardians survived to serve as fire bombers which must have helped their long term survival.

    in reply to: Avro Shackleton WR963 Project Thread #959461
    pagen01
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    Sorry, yes it does. I was thinking of the door that sits about head height to the Flt Eng, signal cartridges is it? Anyhow it’s wrong for that as well.

    Now thinking that it might be the access door for the aileron ground lock on the aft face of the rear spar?

    in reply to: HMS Belfast and HMS Westminster on a very grey London day #960182
    pagen01
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    Ah, is that what Cotteswold Tim was up to?

    in reply to: Rudder pedals i.d please #960496
    pagen01
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    K was the Percival part number identifyer (for that period at least), 56 is the Provost type no, ie Percival P.56 Provost.
    Having got severely grazed knuckles from removing and refitting Pembroke (P.66) pedals, I would say they are very similar, if not the same as yours.
    They look odd without the distinctive adjusting mechanism mind!

    in reply to: Avro Shackleton WR963 Project Thread #961268
    pagen01
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    Vary pistol compartment?

    in reply to: Historic Aviation? No – old pilots! #961533
    pagen01
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    Well done Tim, hope you enjoy your tea at No 10!

    in reply to: Aircraft doing their bit for Red nose day!! #961548
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    in reply to: Blackburn Roc .Well I never . #966383
    pagen01
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    Actually Rob you aren’t far off the truth, the Roc (not Rock Baz, named after the mythical bird which helped sea men) was designed to an observation specification, given away by the O in O.30/35! The idea was to also provide carrier defence against large recce or attack aircraft, which at the time were slower than fleet defence types.

    My understanding is that Boulton Paul produced the Blackburn Roc as their own ‘Sea’ Defiant (P.85), designed to the same spec had been turned down.

    The Air Ministrys’ and Air Councils pre-occupation with turret fighter/defence aircraft such as the Hotspur, Defiant and Roc can be difficult to understand now, but there were foundations for the concept in the expansion era.

    in reply to: Fairey Battle question. #966638
    pagen01
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    Think you will find that the Spitfire and Lancaster used DH props and had spinners fitted.

    I know Spits used the DH bob weighted type (two pitch?), but I thought very breifly (a matter of months)?

    However having a spinner fitted to front-line fighters must have been pretty important for performance considerations I would have thought, might explain why the Spitfire had one and the Battle didn’t with the similar propeller types.
    Maybe as Graham suggests, getting at the mechanism outweighed the performance benefits.

    Apologies, I’m generalising as the forum has signed me out across my three computers and I’m posting by phone:o

    in reply to: Fairey Battle question. #966937
    pagen01
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    Could it be to do with the propeller rather than the engine?

    Battles seemed to use bob weighted DH/Hamilton types like the Blenheim, Hampden, and Wellesley which also didn’t use spinners, though the last two did sometimes use small nose type spinners.

    Didn’t most RR Merlin applications use Rotol props?
    I wonder if the DH props had operating issues with spinners attached?

    in reply to: Royal Navy and US Navy F-4 Phantom carrier operations #968523
    pagen01
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    John Eacotts’ images are superb, really capture the feeling of being there on the flight deck, he used to post here but haven’t seen anything from him for a while.

    I would say the British Phantoms in EDSG were in the more effective scheme for deep water operations!

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