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  • in reply to: RAF St Mawgan – Remembered #1069760
    pagen01
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    Excellent artwork as usual Baz, nice talk through of your recollections and the sequence of events aswel.:)

    in reply to: Mosquito replica – Airborne! #1069891
    pagen01
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    Good effort, but for me a wasted one! I hate to see replicas that are not full size, do not have the correct engines (or at least engine cowling shapes) or correct shaped cockpit.

    Don’t look at it then:(

    Fantastic effort and good luck I say!:)

    in reply to: Sea Prince Colours!!! #1070696
    pagen01
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    BTW I’ve just done a quick search on paint finishes used by the FAA in that period, looks like we’ve been down a very similar path before, http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=100971&page=9&highlight=fluoresecent

    in reply to: Sea Prince Colours!!! #1070873
    pagen01
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    It’s nice to see it in that scheme though and it appears to be the only preserved example not to be in training colours (apart from WM735!!).
    I don’t begrude a change in scheme.
    I see from other pics that it has HF on the tail, so I assume it is painted to represent a Hal Far Stn Flt aircraft.
    Generaly the C.2s were for this use but T.1s were also seconded to the role, as seen in the pictures in an earlier post.

    BTW any updates on sole surving C.1 WF137 or once airworthy WP321?

    in reply to: Sea Prince Colours!!! #1071136
    pagen01
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    Very nice Keith, that is in the communications scheme of one of the Station Flights, nice to see a preserved Sea Prince in the non training scheme.

    This desk top model on Ebay made me laugh, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Percival-P-57-Sea-Prince-T1-UK-Navy-Wood-Airplane-Model-/380223263010?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item5887129122
    Looks really realistic, until you realise that it is a cut out photo of a real Sea Prince attached to a model stand!
    This is what your £90+ really gets you http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/T-1-Sea-Prince-Percival-Airplane-Desktop-Wood-Model-Big-/120493881367?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c0dfeb817

    in reply to: Sea Prince Colours!!! #1071270
    pagen01
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    …and only good colour photographic evidence can dispel this in a positive and friendly manner to prove once and for all that Sea Princes had DayGlo on them (and not red paint) right up to their last day of service. This is no disrespect to those that repainted the two aircraft at the Gatwick Aviation Museum as their interpretation of ‘finding red paint’ was no doubt ‘faced red dayglo paint’ and they just used the word ‘red’ as generic.

    Think this is a one-off? Okay here is WM739 now registered G-TACA also clearly wearing Dayglo orange, although without military TLC starting to look patchy!

    Not a fuorescent orange I hope!:eek:

    Sorry but I’m still not convinced that all Sea Princes’ were finished in fluorescent orange, and some of the images posted haven’t helped.

    The Wessexs’ look like flat orange (like International Orange), the Princes’ in formation look like Orangy Red, and in the quoted post WM739 looks like flat orange.
    At best this shows how dodgy it is relying on any film used to give us a definitive answer. The best hope is APs and paint guides of the period, but there can even be exceptions with those.

    I’m not saying that the red is bright red as in RAF trainers but an orangy red, like a flat verison of fluorescent red orange used on some SAR machines, as in this pic of a WF118 here, http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/372288.html, the colour isn’t far of the roundal red or the Provosts behind.

    To clarify the Gatwick issue, they are saying that they rubbed down the fluo scheme and found red underneath, so it was on the aircraft – yes?
    Anyway, they are doing a darned sight more in preserving these lovely old aircraft than we are!:)

    in reply to: General Discussion #336463
    pagen01
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    http://www.speedtest.net/result/1267653793.png

    Havent a clue what it means!:o

    in reply to: Test your server speed #1869654
    pagen01
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    http://www.speedtest.net/result/1267653793.png

    Havent a clue what it means!:o

    in reply to: The sound of a Focke Wulf Fw190 #1071958
    pagen01
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    Blimey Tim, more great types that you have flown?

    in reply to: Newark Air Museum Briefing #1072645
    pagen01
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    Bizarrely I’m not really looking forward to the repaint phase – because I have a feeling that it will cause a few people ‘some issues!’ – some things never change! :rolleyes:

    Not a certain Canberra, Lightning, Vulcan, Victor, Buccaneer, Sea Prince… expert surely?:eek:

    in reply to: Avro Shackleton WR963 Project Thread #1073174
    pagen01
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    James are you not surprised that Number 3 ran so well? lol I am!!!

    Surprised, I ******* amazed!:eek::)
    Is there no sign of the worn cam lobes during running?

    in reply to: Sea Prince Colours!!! #1073176
    pagen01
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    (Suggest Culdrose for the other shot.) Where are you pagen01?

    It is Culdrose Brian.

    Wow this thread took off!
    Actually although the paint discussion may seem trivial it is great to get to the bottom of the subject and find original specs etc.
    The Chox argument is a classic case of relying on past published information to much and assuming it to be gospel, an easy trap for any of us to fall in.
    I know this is a subject that Lee thoroughly researches – will be great to see the book.
    The paint issue is often more complex than we first think (witness Sky types!) and we tend to think only particular shades were used while it turns out that may not be the case.

    Despite the last few posts I definitely remember some Sea Princes’ flying in the reddish scheme, it might only have been a handful of the final fleet in ’79 I don’t know.
    I have also seen a picture of Sea Prince with a Wessex and the former is red compared with the orange on the latter, I wish I knew where it was right now, but believe it may have been in a Culdrose airday booklet.
    If I had to take a guess at why some were refinished in the darker colours it would be that the orange to red process was already taking place on other types and that it was easier when a couple of Princes’ had to be refinished that they used the same paint stocks.

    It has been stated previously that during paint rub down that the reddish colour was found on the Gatwick Sea Princes, I do believe them and that they aren’t bluffing just to defend a repaint in those colours – to suggest that they are trying to re-write history I would think is slightly insulting to Peter & Milt and the guys.

    Nice little poem btw Brian!

    in reply to: Sea Prince Colours!!! #1074384
    pagen01
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    As an aside, many of the FAA aircraft of that time used dayglo orange, including 771 NAS Wessex 1’s (&5’s) and the Gazelle’s of 705 NAS, however at some point in the late 70’s they switched to using red – presumably because the dayglo paint faded so quickly. But of course by that time the Sea Princes had retired to be replaced by Jetstreams that had red areas, but never dayglo.

    I could be wrong, (and will happily be corrected), but a Sea Prince in 750 NAS colours but painted using red not dayglo just doesn’t look correct to me.

    Hi Nick you might have seen the discussion in the other thread, but I do definitely remember some wearing the orangy/red as seen in Laurebies’ picture link. this could be for various reseans, such as paint availablity etc.
    I really don’t remember the bright orange paint as being fluorescent (as some SAR choppers had) but being a flat colour, but willing to accept that I could be wrong.

    Just to show how assumption of paint can be wrong, I assumed that most SAR choppers wore fluoresent paint, but compare these pictures taken in the same light on the same day.

    http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/FAAM/WhirlwindHAS7XL853-1.jpg

    http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/FAAM/WessexHU5XS508-1.jpg

    BTW keep the Sea Prince pictures coming!

    in reply to: Avro Shackleton WR963 Project Thread #1074387
    pagen01
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    Can I add one photo, it sums up the whole project:

    Fantastic pic, as you say it encapsulates the progress quite nicely!

    in reply to: General Discussion #336956
    pagen01
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    Shackleton, eight miles

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