Shackleton, eight miles
We had one pop into Saints yesterday, first one I’ve seen for a long time, struck me as coincidental aswel!
If it is from an F4
It is F-4 Phantom without a doubt.
Those stamps are handy, AMS 4911 is aerospace grade titanium sheeting, the TI also backs up the Titanium content.
It looks like the leading edge is possibly made from a higher TI content metal?
Thanks for that Peter, I did wonder if they had a limited ‘weapons bay’ and what you say confirms this.
There seems to be very few pictures about of the T.1s with the thimble AI style nose radome.
Absolutely agree with your last para aswel.
BTW as we are on the subject of Princes’ of the sea, does anyone have any updates on the ex Lasham C.1?
How well would Spey have fitted into Crusader? Significantly shorter & lighter than the J57, more thrust – but a bit fatter. Hmmm.
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A-7 Corsair II!
The thread seems to have deviated a little from Wild Weasels to irrelevant UK carrier aviation benefitting from US types could have beens.
Surely most EFs / WW were fighter derived (usualy converted), the F-105 and 111 obviously being on the very fringes of that bracket, but even the former was agile enough and had knocked MiGs out of the sky and both had good crew positions.
the TSR-2 was too catered for the role of very fast, low-level, nuclear delivery but with size, cost, complexity and restricted crew look out going against it to have been an effective Weasel.
That is quite an abrupt reply, but hey ho it wouldn’t do for us all to be the same.
I’ve given up trying to answer or responding to him Baloffski, I’ve withdrawn posts from here and the Bucc thread because he comes across as seeking answers and then dosen’t listen to replies from others – not good for someone hired to write books.
I’m wondering if camera doors might have been left in place from the Survey Prince days? As we know know some Pembrokes had recon equipment fitted.
They look too big for normal access panels, did they have the capability to drop paractice flares etc?
I can’t use the words lovely and Shackleton together, but it does look absolutely fantastic! Really looks different and brighter in that early scheme.
Blue, has there been any thoughts of returning your (or any other come to that) Victor to the early camo/white undersides tanker scheme – that would look fantastic, but a real mission I would think.
Nice pictures Brian, what are the panels that seem to be open in the last shot?
I always assumed those inboard tailpane panels to be titanium, they sit very close to the engine efflux (possibly in it at full deflection at take off?) which I guess has some bearing on the metal used.
PhantomPhil etc will know better.
Be nice to see it all polished up!:)
Lovely shots of what looks like a great museum, agree with above comment about light and airy nature of the place.
Thanks for sharing.
Lovely shots,
880 is in the silver / white roof with cheatline (assume blue, but don’t know?) finish which was the earlier VIP/Station Flight scheme, I believe it belonged to Arbroath Stn Flt.
WM756 609 is actually one of the scarcer C.2 versions, and T.1s WF131 & ‘120 608 are painted in the same light grey / white roof, with blue cheatline Station Flight/VIP scheme.
The final shot is of a T.1 in the earlier training scheme of silver with yellow bands, and ‘573 (looking very tatty!) is in the final training scheme of light grey and orangy/red.
lovely clear and sharp pictures David, looks like the Avenger is dying to get out!
I use a Nikon D60 and Sigma 120-400, good nearer the budget end of the spectrum combination and gives good results.

Lovely picture, not sure it is at Culdrose though?
Drives me bonkers!
It drives you bonkers because you don’t listen to anyone else’s input, and when you see something that you don’t agree with you assume that it’s wrong.
The problem is people take notice of what you say and then it looks bad on the museum that you’re having a go at.
The Sea Pince trainers were delivered in silver with yellow bands, they then recieved International Orange (not day-glo!), I’m unsure if the reddish colour superceded that scheme or appeared along side as you see both in similar eras, but the reddish orange definitely existed, as Lauriebe’s link above shows.
As for FAA trainers in general, as far as I’m aware they wore silver with yellow bands until the light grey (or silver on some) and International orange scheme came about, the only FAA trainer I’ve seen to wear flou/dayglo is the Sea Balliol at Cosford, but that was a trials machine.
I think some of the misinformation of dayglo use comes from old colour pictures where the colours don’t reproduce properly.