Major adventures like space travel will always be a struggle as long as humans are squabbling over trivia such as religion and nationality.
Major adventures like space travel will always be a struggle as long as humans are squabbling over trivia such as religion and nationality.
It is pathetic – and not very conducive to safety – that TAF’s and METAR’s are still written in this incomprehensible short-hand, which has its roots in the low data bandwidth of the telegraph and telex technology in use when it originated.
I see no technical reason for not using plain, English language nowadays, and it would be much safer too.
That was your original post – now you’re backtracking and saying that you understood it anyway :confused:
I don’t understand why you would want only weather in plain langauge but everything else seems to be OK with abbreviations and codes.
Wind 210 degrees 10 knots, gusts up to 25 knots
So why do you find 21010G25 so difficult?
I’m not a pilot, I haven’t flown professionally for 5 years and yet I can interpret a METAR easily.
If ATC says “QNH 1004”, I take it you would prefer if they said “please set your altimeter to a Barometric setting of 1004 Hectopascals. This will read the height of the airfield above sea level when you land” That would be much simpler?
By the way, the Q codes did mean something although the actual meanings have been lost now.
I am at loss to understand this. You are a PPL with 20 years experience and find METAR and TAF decoding “incomprehensible”?
Of course you need to know the short-hand, same as you need to know the “short-hand” for QNH or VOR or ILS or air traffic clearances etc. Aviation is full of abbreviations and short-hand through necessity – learning to interpret the “incomprehensible” is (or should be) part of your training.
Maybe so but lots of people understand them – they’re not that difficult to comprehend – hardly incomprehensible.
If a pilot wants a TAF or METAR printed out on his FMS or ACARS, he doesn’t want a long Jackanory story to read, he wants a simple statement that tells him all he needs to know.
Which is best for reading over the radio or over a datalink?
This
LEST 201230Z 21010G25KT 180V250 1200SW 6000NW R17/1300U R35/P1500 +SHRA FEW010CB SCT017 BKN027 12/07 Q1002 RETS WS RWY17 BECMG FM1300 23030G40KT 7000 NSW SKC
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Location: LEST
Day of month: 20
Time: 12:30 UTC
Wind: True direction = 210 degrees, Speed: 10 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 25 knots
Wind direction is variable between 180 and 250
Visibility: 1200 m direction South West
Visibility: 6000 m direction North West
Runway 17, touchdown zone visual range is variable from a minimum of 1300 meters until a maximum of meters, and increasing
Runway 35, touchdown zone visual range is variable from a minimum of more than 1500 meters until a maximum of meters
Weather: Strong Showers of Rain
Clouds: A few , at 1000 feet above aerodrome level, cumulonimbus
Clouds: Scattered , at 1700 feet above aerodrome level
Clouds: Broken sky , at 2700 feet above aerodrome level
Temperature: 12 degrees Celsius
Dewpoint: 07 degrees Celsius
QNH (Sea-level pressure): 1002 hPa
Since the previous observation (but not at present), the following
meteorological phenomena were observed: Thunderstorms
There is wind-shear in runway 17
The following weather phenomena are expected to arise soon:
From 13:00 UTC, Wind: True direction = 230 degrees, Speed: 30 knots, with Gusts of maximum speed 40 knots
Visibility: 7000 m
No significant weather phenomena are observed at present
Clear sky
9999 is the visibility, in this case 10km or more.
This is a useful page.
As requested, some more from the ATC formation.
Looked like hard work from where I was standing – a bit breezy at ground level certainly.
These are quite heavily cropped as the aircraft are a bit wee and were quite high.








No problem, I’m glad you liked them.
Sorry for the delay.
Is this the sort of thing you’re after?








Thanks for the comments folks.
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I’ll post some tonight.
What types in particular are you interested in? I have some of the formations and most of the individual aircraft as well.
Sorry, I’ve just realised your username. Doh!
I was taught the golden rule for single malts from Scotland is never to buy / drink anything that starts with ‘Glen’
Moggy
And who taught you that – an Englishman presumably?
As far as malts go one my favourites is Laphroaig, followed by the Glenfiddich 15y.o. I quite enjoy a Glen Morangie as well sometimes. (especially my Dad’s):D
As normal drinking whisky though, whatever Tesco has on Special Offer :); at the moment it’s Grants, although I like Famous Grouse and Teachers as well.
I was taught the golden rule for single malts from Scotland is never to buy / drink anything that starts with ‘Glen’
Moggy
And who taught you that – an Englishman presumably?
As far as malts go one my favourites is Laphroaig, followed by the Glenfiddich 15y.o. I quite enjoy a Glen Morangie as well sometimes. (especially my Dad’s):D
As normal drinking whisky though, whatever Tesco has on Special Offer :); at the moment it’s Grants, although I like Famous Grouse and Teachers as well.