And there was me thinking it was discussion forum. :rolleyes:
Hurn, that quote of mine has been taken out of context and was in response to Kev35’s point of about ticket subsidies.
If it can’t pay its way, it can’t pay its way. End of.
It has had 4 Olympus engines from the beginning, the fuel burn of which must have been widely known. Yes it is more expensive to run but that really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. So why does it always seem like it is?
Name another airshow act with 4 Bristol Olympus engines?
Name one with 5 or 6 Avons or or 4 Wright Cyclones or whatever.
Mantog, very few want to see the Vulcan grounded but occasionally reality butts in and ruins everything.
Why on earth isn’t every single person on this forum backing it to the hilt?
Amazing as might sound, not everyone is as fascinated by the Vulcan as you are. I was lucky enough to see proper Vulcan displays in the 1970s and 80s, not the sedate displays we see now. I drive past a Vulcan every working day of my life. I am no longer fascinated by it. I used to enjoy Phantom, Lightning, F-104 and Nimrod displays but they are gone now and in all likelihood will not return. I don’t have a problem with that at all. Things move on. The Vulcan project has been a great achievement but it is highly debatable whether it is sustainable in anything like the immediate short term.
If it can’t pay its way what has the number or type of engines have to do with it?
There are many (me included) who would object to that sort of levy. Those that go to airshows year in year out, whether the Vulcan is there or not. Every other act pays its way, why can’t the Vulcan?
I, for one won’t criticise individuals directly as what they have done is a great achievement but I, and apparently many others, believe it could have been done better.
On some forums, (not this one)there is also a “the Vulcan is beyond criticism” attitude.
A couple of years ago, on another forum, I made a small point about one the Vulcan’s cancelled displays. I was rounded on by so-called supporters with the usual “what do you know” “why don’t you try running it” etc. All I had asked was a straightforward question about why it had cancelled.
The attitudes of a hard core supporters certainly puts me and others off the project.
They seem to think that airshows exist only for XH558.
OK so Sally B is cheaper, but what about Team Viper? Is that comparable?
Cosford ’09 was packed – gates shut at 1230 iirc and that was unheard of. Everyone stood and shut up when the Vulcan was orbiting off in the distance awaiting its slot. QED I think.
It was also a gorgeous sunny day – that may have had something to do with the increased attendance as well. Cosford 2007 was rammed as well. I think that was before the Vulcan appeared.
As kev35 and I have said, why is it so difficult to to raise the funding if it so popular. Could it be that the Vulcan effect is exaggerated somewhat?
It was interesting that many of the displays at Waddington were privately owned but only one made a direct appeal for funding. I don’t deny that running the Vulcan is expensive but how much more than say Sally B or Team Viper?
That’s a different situation from an airshow though. I’m not denying there is a “Vulcan effect”, I’m just saying I’m not sure it is as large as claimed.
As I said, how can they possibly know what the attendance might have been. Still if it helps bring in a few quid…
The effect must be true as I’m thinking of going to Southport on Sunday as it should be quieter, maybe even 40% quieter :). We’ll see won’t we?
I heard that TVOC claim that the Vulcan boosts airshow attendance by 20-40%. That may be true of small shows but larger events like RIAT or Waddington – I doubt it very much. But as I said before it is a great statistic to bandy about as it impossible to prove or disprove.
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But what does it inspire them to? Does seeing the Vulcan really inspire kids to take up engineering or science as a career? I guess we’ll never know whether it does or not. I am struggling to understand why seeing a 1950s vintage aircraft inspires taking up a particular career in 2011.
I appreciate that some may be emotional over seeing it fly but inspirational? I’m not so sure.
The Vulcan effect I’m not so sure about – it is a good statement though as it impossible to prove or disprove. Was it the Vulcan that was the cause of the large crowds at Waddington? – I suspect the Thunderbirds may have been at least partially responsible. I am sure the Vulcan has boosted air show attendances a bit but by how much? Impossible to say.
I would be interested to see airshow attendance figures pre and post Vulcan.
If the “Vulcan effect” of the “Peoples Aircraft” is so large, why is raising adequate funds so difficult?
Our mission is to inspire the next generation of scientists, engineers, designers and aviators.
From the TVOC site. I’m not sure how inspirational a 60 year old design is to the younger generation. It wasn’t the Hawker Fury or HP Heyford that inspired me to go into aerospace, it was the modern aircraft of my day, the F-15, the F-16, Concorde, Phantom, Tornado or whatever.
The Vulcan’s (and Lancaster and Anson and Shackleton’s) birthplace is being closed and turned into “housing units” – Not much inspiration to take up a technology career there:(
Government adviser Jo Moore said it on the 11th September 2001. There was no bad news to bury anyway. She apologized and few months later was fired.
Government adviser Jo Moore said it on the 11th September 2001. There was no bad news to bury anyway. She apologized and few months later was fired.
In all honesty, was it ever about education?