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  • in reply to: Italian STOVL Carrier – Cavour ? #2069607
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    Boat?! That’s a great looking ship.

    That’s a great looking warship

    :dev2:

    in reply to: Italian STOVL Carrier – Cavour ? #2069633
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    Wonderful pics ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069701
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    You are correct.
    Additionally, herakles can handle around 500 tracks and empar only 300 :(.

    Do you know performances of Herakles? I thought were not yet available.

    in reply to: Other CVF Partners? #2069704
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    Garibaldi is a light stovl aircraft carrier.

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069721
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    Thanks 7seas. A perfect answer. ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069842
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    Above all Empar is a radar ‘made in Italy’ (Elettronica, Rome) ๐Ÿ˜€
    Herakles is a radar ‘made in France’ (Thales) :p

    The twin Empar+S1850M is more capable in performance and range, but more expensive then Herakles (designed for 2nd class frigates).

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069868
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    Welcome sig. Maxsona.

    ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: Italian STOVL Carrier – Cavour ? #2070153
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    Elevators and ramps of Cavour:

    – forward โ€œinternalโ€ aircraft lift (21.6 x 14 meters, 30-ton capacity)
    – aft โ€œdeck-edgeโ€ aircraft lift (15 x 14 meters, 30-ton capacity)
    – two 15-ton ammunition lifts
    – two 7-ton service lifts
    – a stern door with a 60-ton capacity ramp, allowing Ro-Ro type operations alongside a pier
    – a side door with a 60-ton capacity ramp, to starboard, about in the middle of the ship.

    in reply to: Rafale cockpit pics #2540563
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    French claim that cost of Rafale is 60 milion โ‚ฌ.

    in reply to: Juan Carlos I, Buque de Proyección Estratégica #2070270
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    Bpe is a LPD able to launch Av8b+ or F35B, that could replace for short time de PdA, but can’t be the substitute of PdA.
    Bpe can ‘transport’, ‘hangar’ or park many JSF, but to operate them is different.
    There are small space for facilities, weapons store, fuel-jet tanks and other stuffs that are necessary to support airwing during operations.

    in reply to: Juan Carlos I, Buque de Proyección Estratégica #2070377
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    My list has been fulfilled only to justify the gap into the price of Bpe an Cavour.
    Of course a true stovl aircraft carrier in the hull of Bpe will be very appreciate with or without complex electronic suite or weapons.;)

    in reply to: Juan Carlos I, Buque de Proyección Estratégica #2070409
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    It would be interesting to see the design minus the floodable dock and add 4- LM2500 and 100′ more of flight deck! ๐Ÿ˜€

    FLY NAVY

    Sure,
    also with a top electronic suite as radars Aegis and S 1850M and C4I capability.
    More an indipendent capability to self protect with AAW, CIWS and AWS system as 32 vls for Aster 15, 2 cannons OtoMelara SuperRapido ‘Strales’ 76mm, 2 tube for MU90, 2 SLat.
    Last but not least a stronger militray standard of building and not civilian.
    :p :p

    Very interesting, but too much expensive. The price will rise at least two or three times where the target of BPE is to have a flexible ship at low costs.

    BPE will be a great LPD. It’s correct to compare Bpe vs Mistral.
    It’s not correct to compare Cavpour vs Bpe, they are like orange and apple. Totally different.

    in reply to: Italian STOVL Carrier – Cavour ? #2070441
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    Equipped with F-35’s I wonder how she would compare with the CdG?

    Scooter,
    there is written that Cavour has an electronic equipment as the CdG, there’s not written that Cavour is compared at CdG in term of operations.;)

    It’s worth noting that the price of Cavour is twice the price of BPE cause Cavour is fitted with electronic suite, engines, military building standards, weapons and aircrafts support capability that BPE doesn’t have.

    Also the spanish MoD doesn’t call the BPE stovl aircraft carrier, because it’s not a stovl aircraft carrier.

    BPE and its only LM2500 engin can not ensure the enough speed to launch the armed aircrafts. When Bpe is operating as CV the declared displacement is 24000 tons instead 27000tons.
    The displacement of 27000 tons is only when is operating in LPD mode.

    Cavour wih 4 LM2500 can launch armed aircraft even if 2 engines are broken.:)

    in reply to: Italian STOVL Carrier – Cavour ? #2070502
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    Cavour begins sea trials:

    http://www.anmisavona.it/immagini/varo_cavour.JPG

    Cavour is a real stovl aircraft carrier, well equipped, well armed, C4I, etc.
    Bpe is an anphibious ship that can eventually operate some F35B or Harrier.

    Here the electronic features of Cavour:

    Radar

    – Alenia Marconi Systems RAN-40L: three-dimensional (3D) long range naval air search and surveillance radar; derived from the RAT-31D/L series of land-based radar systems; D-band: solid-state Tx/Rx; 300+ km range.

    – Alenia Marconi Systems SPY-790 EMPAR: multi-function rotating frequency-agile passive phased-array radar; G-band (C-band); 3D โ€“ three dimensional; 150+ km range; used for long and medium range volumetric air, low-altitude and surface search, surveillance, target detection, designation, tracking and fire-control with up-link transmission for guidance of Aster active radar surface-to-air missiles; multiple simultaneous target tracking and missile guidance capability (up to 30 missiles in the air); 300 target tracking capability; part of the Eurosam SAAM-IT air defence system; also installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW frigates.

    – Alenia Marconi Systems SPS-791 RASS (RAN-30X/I): multi-mode medium/short-range surface, low-altitude and air search and surveillance radar; X-band; can be used for air and surface surveillance (100km range), navigation and helicopter control (40km range), over-the-horizon surface surveillance (180 km range) and anti-sea-skimmer missile detection and tracking (23km range); cosecant square and pencil beams; up to 250 tracks; can house IFF antenna; also installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW ships and as the main radar on the recent Cigala Fulgosi and Sirio class corvette/helicopter OPV, and Nave ETNA (AOR/LSV).

    – Two Alenia Marconi Systems SIR-R/S: fully solid-state automatic interrogator (IFF); will be fitted on RAN-40L.

    – GEM Elettronica SPN-753(v)4 navigation radar.

    – GEM Elettronica SPN-41 navigation and aircraft control radar.

    Other sensor

    – Mine avoidance sonar (bow) supplied by Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS)

    – Sagem VAMPIR-MB IRAS (Infra-Red Alerting System) for E/O air and surface surveillance

    – Euroslat SLAT anti-torpedo towed array sensor

    Communications

    integrated internal and external communications system (including SHF/UHF satellite communications systems); SATCOM terminals for Italian SICRAL Military Communications Satellite system; tactical communications for command and control of landing/amphibious forces; 2x Link 11; one Link 16 (MIDS/JTIDS); provision for Link 22/NILE (NATO Improved Link Eleven)

    CMS

    Combat Management System:
    Integrated data/weapons combat command and control system, with extensive C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computer and Intelligence) capabilities developed by CMS Italia (Alenia Marconi Systems and Datamat); based on the IPN/S series; very similar to the other CMS installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW destroyers (as part of the Italian/French โ€œHorizonโ€ air-defense frigate program) and Bergamini class multipurpose frigates (FREMM program); modular open distributed architecture.

    Operational Combat Center:
    The COC (Centrale Operativa di Combattimento – Operational Combat Center) will have a superficy of more than 1’100 m2 (latest info: 1โ€™250 m2), including at least 600 m2 for the management of naval and amphibious operations, at least 300 m2 for the air operations and a minimum of 200 m2 for the Communications and EW systems; around 25 main multifunction consoles and workstations.

    Flag/Command Functions:
    There will be space and accommodations for a flag/command staff of between 145 and 230 people, with a comprehensive integrated communications system, tactical intelligence and operational information management systems, and command and decision aid support systems, enabling the ship to function as a flagship for a Naval Task Force (COMITMARFOR), an Italian or multinational Joint Task Force HQ, or an MCC (Maritime Component Command); around 150 multifunction consoles and workstations

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    The ability to provide extensive C4I capabilities (Command, Control, Communications, Computer, Intelligence) for the management of maritime and joint forces is one of the primary requirements of Nave CAVOUR. The development, production, installation, integration and testing of the shipโ€™s Combat Management System (CMS) have been the object, among other systems and equipments, of the 2nd and 3rd NUM contracts. CMS Italia (Alenia Marconi Systems โ€“ Naval Systems Division and DATAMAT S.p.A.) is responsible for that part of the contract.

    The CMS installed on Nave CAVOUR is a significantly expanded variant (particularly to include flag/staff, air and amphibious operations command and control capabilities) of the CMS that has been developed by Italian and French engineers for their future AAW frigates (Andrea Doria class / HORIZON program), itself largely based on the SENIT-8 system already fitted to the French 40โ€™000-tonne nuclear-powered aircraft carrier CHARLES DE GAULLE.

    As part of its requirements, the CMS must be able to provide an accurate picture of the tactical situation over a radius of 350 km around the aircraft carrier, by collecting and processing data provided by the shipโ€™s own sensors as well as by the other naval, joint and allied assets (ships, aircrafts, satellites, troops, higher-command structures).

    The main COC/CIC (Combat Information Centre) is located in a protected area, in the central part of the ship/hull, under the flight-deck and island. Itโ€™s worth noting that the CIC on both Nave GARIBALDI and the French CVN CHARLES DE GAULLE has been installed in the island. Why this change? There were at least three main reasons. The first was to have the CIC located in a position that would be as safe and protected as possible. The second reason has to do with finding a sufficient space given the planned dimensions of the area occupied by the CIC, expected to reach at least twice the size of the CIC installed on Nave GARIBALDI. Even if the necessary space could have been found for the CIC in the island, that would have required a significantly larger superstructure, and consequently less available space for aircrafts on the flight deck. And that constitutes the third reason why the CIC isnโ€™t located in the island, that is to make the superstructure as small as possible in order to maximise the dimensions of the deck area available for aircrafts. The gained space in the island benefits the facilities dedicated to the main/command bridge (third deckhouse) and aircraft flight control bride (fourth deckhouse).

    The CIC will occupy an overall area of 1โ€™100 m2 for the management of all types of maritime and joint operations, including:

    – Naval and Amphibious operations: 600 m2
    – Air operations: 300 m2
    – Communications and EW operations: 200 m2

    As far as the โ€œhardwareโ€ of the CMS and the CIC are concerned, also available to an embarked Command Staff, it would include the following elements:

    – A total of around 150 multi-function consoles and workstations
    – 15 large displays presenting the tactical situation
    – 25 multi-function consoles for the management of the shipโ€™s combat system
    – 90 workstations with JMCIS (Joint Maritime Command Information System)
    – 20 ruggedised consoles with JMCIS

    The JMCIS is in particular designed to work with the similar C3 systems in service with the Italian Air Force (AMI) and the Italian Army (EI), in order to fully support the command of a joint operation. Three Italian warships are currently fitted with a significant number of JMCIS workstations: the aircraft carrier GIUSEPPE GARIBALDI, the amphibious assault ship SAN GIUSTO, and the fleet logistic support ship ETNA.

    Also the engines of Cavour are more powerful with 4 LM2500 (29 knots) vs 1 LM2500 of BPE (21 knots).

    Of course priece of Cavour is 2 or 3 times more then BPE.:(

    in reply to: Juan Carlos I, Buque de Proyección Estratégica #2070920
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    The LPD Juan Carlos I is a strong tool of projection.
    It will give to Spain, together with the new lpd Galicia a strong anphibious capacity in line with the long tradition of spanish Infanteria de Marina and Tercio de Armada. ๐Ÿ™‚

    The sky-jump is not enough to say the BPE is an aircraft carrier.
    PdA will continue to be the only aircraft carrier of Armada.

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