It would great to view the items you have collected.
I think there are many who would also be interested.Could you let me know when and where to look when you
have them posted?Thanks
Tom
Well, finally got around to scanning in the pics etc. I was sure I had some more somewhere. If I find them I’ll post them. Meanwhile, check out the new thread for the pictures.
Pathfinder, check your PM’s.
If Hay-on-Wye isn’t too far (106.2 miles according to Autoroute) then it’s well worth the trip. A lovely village in beautiful countryside with low flying military jets and more book shops than you can shake a stick at. Mmmmmm…..! Lots of opportunities to pick up bargain out of print titles too. 🙂
I have the BoB “Special Edition” CD that has both the Walton and Goodwin tracks – 28 in all. The aerial battle sequence “Battle In The Air” (Track 17) is superb. It fits the footage brilliantly.
Anyone wishing to know where to get a copy should PM me.
Dean
Was the cheque rubber then?
Paul
You mean Vulcanised? 😀
Andy, yet again astounding! So his name was Sidney F Burgoine and he joined in 1911! I’ve got a few issues of flight from around that era so I’ll have a look on the off-chance he’s mentioned.
The other 2 Burgoines I mentioned: Alfred Charles Burgoine is his brother and Kenneth Alfred Burgoine is his son so you can see that aviation became firmly entrenched in the blood, even down to myself.
Here’s another one for you then…
Roger Burgoine was allegedy chief draughtman for Armstrong-Whitworth. Don’t suppose he’s mentioned anywhere is he?
Dean
Tom, as I recall the internees may well have been earlier on in the war but the circumstances are very similar, including their apprehension. I’ll have to delve into my files to be sure.
I’ll also dig out the photos I took. I’ve got a copy of the book I mentioned, “Island Camp”, published by Susan M Hawthorne and Bryntaeg Comprehensive School. It’s probably long out of print – it was published in 1989 originally. There’s a copy available on Abebooks website – $42.00 plus shipping!!!! Wish I’d bought a few copies now!
Dean
Hi Dean
there was a Sidney Burgoine who joined The Sopwith Aviation Company in 1913 as a boat builder. He worked on the company’s seaplanes and flying boat designs. If he stayed with Sopwith and later Hawker’s he may well have risen to senior management.
Not much to go on but it may help.
Source:- Sopwith Aircraft 1912-1920. H.F. King. Putnams 1980 P.30.Cheers
Andy
Andy you are a star. What I deliberately didn’t mention was that Sidney came from a very distinguished family of Boat Builders, Burgoine’s of Hampton Wick, which was run by his father (Alfred) and uncle (Charles). They built a Royal Barge for Queen Victoria and numerous competition boats.
What you have said ties in perfectly and would also explain the extra snippet I was told after my initial post – that Sidney was involved in the Schneider Trophy somehow.
More than a little nugget for me there young Andrew! Ta. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Dean
I have seen the BBC account of the March escape and I have just finished reading the book Come Out Wherever You Are about this escape.
The odd thing about it is that my Dad insists that some of the escapees where rounded up at sea..headed for Ireland…in a stolen tug (or tender).
Apparently they were discovered by search aircraft and finally apprehended by the Royal Navy (March 12 1945).
This event does not appear to be mentioned in either the book or the TV documentary.
Can anyone shed some light on this puzzle ???
Thanks,
Tom
Tom, are you sure that the escapees were POW’s from Island Camp? A group of several internees from the Isle of Man were rounded up in almost exactly the same manner you described. Any more info?
Island Camp, Bridgend
I lived in Bridgend for a few months in 1990 and visited the camp on a number of occasions as a young lad of 19! I have a fair few pictures of the camp, the murals (of which there were loads), the “hidden” mud from the tunnels etc. If anyone is interested I’ll dig them out and post them here. I also have a book which was written by the 5th/6th form pupils of a local school which is quite detailed and interesting. It’s softback and about 60-80 pages long with a number of biographies of well-known inmates such as Gerd Von Rundstedt etc. and a reasonable account of the escape as told by guards and escapees. If I get a chance, I’ll post the stuff up over the weekend.
As some of the murals have swasticas on them as well as a few artful nudes, can I be assured by our moderators that there will be no problem posting the pics here? Don’t want to cause offence and all that. 🙂
Dean
I noticed the ATC Cadets listed.. wonder what the story was with them ??
A number of Air Training Corps cadets were killed whilst on familiarisation/training flights with RAF units during WW2. The first of these I have been told was killed on the Isle of Man. I don’t know how many were killed in total but I would imagine that sadly 4 such individuals have no known grave hence, their names too on the memorial.
Great pictures and a poignant time to post them – brings back poignant memories of my last visit there. I too only lived a few miles from the Memorial but only finally made time to visit when I moved to the Isle of Man! No excuse.
Good idea Snapper but how about the cash going to relevant charities such as RBL, RAFBF etc. of the “artists” choosing, for those who wish to? Obviously I appreciate that if, like yourself its your livelihood, then that has a different bearing.
How do “we” go about this then?
Let’s look at the potential likelihood….
Duxford at a public day – legality, shouldn’t be an issue per se as it is perfectly legit to fire fully automatic MG42’s, Brens, .30 Brownings etc. at living history events with a much closer crowd line than is being suggested. I think the shear thought of 8 Brownings even firing blanks though would cause a cocern to HSE et al, although personally I don’t see why not. The road behind the butts would be an issue.
Getting hold of live .303 Browning aircraft guns – quite possible.
Recoil damage to any Spitfire, static or otherwise – others may be better placed to say but I would imagine this is a genuine possibility.
If considering anything remotely like this, personally I’d go for the History Channel type suggestion and load live ammunition and strafe some range targets at Otterburn or similar with wing gun cameras etc. Easy to say though as I don’t own a flying Spit and the CAA would probably have a cow at the very mention of such a hair-brained scheme.
Nice idea but probably unrealistic. Please prove me wrong though Phillip!
Gets my vote, but then I don’t have too many to contribute.
Just found this reference in the Gazette:
“Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve.
Appointments to commision. As Plt. Offs. on prob. (emergency):
Wt.Offs.
1271729 John Willoughby Vickers (190554)”
6 March 1945
I would imagine that is “your” man in the cockpit. I’ll check the service number and see what it tells us.
I see our posts have crossed – it was just a way of seeing whether the Maple Leaf was “his” or belonged to another.
Dean