I’d have thought “room to rotate” would be the most likely explanation. The Vampire could get away with a stumpy little undercarriage because the booms were angled upwards slightly. Something like a Hunter would need more room and so is fairly tall – still has a substantial tail bumber though because there still wasn’t enough room for some pilots! 😀
This is quite an interesting thread…but I have to ask…what is a “Pikey?”
The “MarkG Concise English Dictionary, First Edition” defines it as…
Pik-ey also Pik-ie
n., pl. –eys,
[INDENT]1. Thieving Gypsy b*stard.[/INDENT]
Does anyone have a list of the historic aircraft that were preserved at Cardiff (Rhoose) in the early severties, and what happened to them?
Hmm. “preserved” and “Cardiff” (as in Wales Aircraft Museum) are not two concepts I would normally associate with each other! 🙂
Sea air and museum owners with some very funny ideas conspired to treat some of the exhibits quite badly.
Anyway, to add to the list :-
Vulcan XM569 was reduced to a nose section and removed to Enstone. It was briefly disguised as a rocket ship (complete with silver paint and stuck on fins) to publicise the opening of “The Planets” in Woking, then rescued by Gary Spoors and now resides (fully repainted) in storage at Staverton. It was on display at RIAT at Fairford a couple of years back.
Hunter F.51 E-409 is currently at the City of Norwich Aircraft Museum as previously mentioned but is painted in a 74 Sqdn RAF scheme masquerading as XF383.
vitual fiver on its way to you!
(didn’t look at the second photo!)
I’ll buy you a virtual pint with it! 😀
its not a hawk canopy
Really? A ‘virtual’ fiver says it is! 🙂
Canopy looks like Hawk to me.
I have a 3G in WN890 (this seat is a rareity as it actually saved a life of a Hunter pilot over Wales), 2H in WT648, 3G in XG290. XF113 has a Javelin (Mk3 IIRC) waiting in the wings. I also have a Folland Gnat seat, which will probably move on as I do not have a use for it (i.e. no Gnat cockpit anymore).
A 3G (which is a Swift seat) or do you mean a 3H?
Thanks for all the replies. Does anybody own any?
I’ve got 4, but 3 of them are exactly the same type so I don’t suppose they count! 🙂
The Mk.2H which may go into my Hunter cockpit is here if you’re interested.
The panel you have bidded on in ebay is definately not a T22 model
True enough. My mistake.
Ok, so now we know what it ISN’T, is anyone going to tell us what it IS?
yeah, but if he asks on here then we all get to have a read and learn somrthing new rather than if he had kept it oo him self……
Spot on. There’s loads of stuff on this forum that could be found using Google, but that would deny us some of the interesting threads that have been sparked off by questions like this.
Flambards? is it still open?
Yes it is and they do still have a Wessex, albeit a bit unloved looking.
Anyone know when the next one is?
Cheers
TT
22nd April I believe.
Cliff,
Seen this…….? 😀
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That’s from a T.22 so it’s not your normal, run-of-the-mill Canberra panel. Good luck all the same though.
Why not mount it in a shaped cradle as Dave suggests and if you’re worried that gravity won’t be enough chuck a ratchet strap over the whole lot to keep it solid when moving it around?
Oh yeh. I have in my mind that an effect of bang-seats is (always/sometimes?) crushed vertebrae – ie. you trade off a broken back for your life. Is that right – or yet another urban myth?
It’s much less of a problem with modern rocket powered seats compared with the old ballistic seats.
A rocket seat has a relatively smoother ‘push’ sustained over a longer time period, i.e. the time the rocket motor burns. The old ballistic seats used explosive charges to literally bang the seat out. Some seats had two charges which fired one after the other which meant that the jolt was about as gentle as it could be, but it was still similar to one big kick up the backside rather than the sustained push from a rocket seat. The firmness of the seat ‘cushion’ is also very important as it can affect the way in which the force of the ejection is transmitted to the pilot’s spine.
For example the Hunter seats were upgraded from using a 60 ft/sec gun to an 80 ft/sec gun and that was found to be about as far as the human body could go without very serious damage every time. There were still a lot of damaged backs, but if the correct posture was adopted (use of the overhead face-screen type of firing handle helped with that) then it could be kept to a minimum. Craig Penrice damaged his back very badly when he banged out of XF516 a few years back because he used the seat pan handle rather than the face-screen and so his posture was all wrong. His day job meant that he was used to modern rocket seats which often only have seat pan handles though so it’s understandable I suppose.
Remember to Mig mid-air collision at Fairford a few years back? If I remember correctly the pilot’s ejected, then calmly walked away uninjured from the carnage! Also the Harrier crash at Lowestoft – I believe the only injury the pilot sustained was a broken ankle when, after ejecting in the hover, the wind took him back over the aircraft and he landed back on top of it before it sank.