DerekfJohn Green
I think I’ll ignore your posts from now on. It can only be for the best. I honestly don’t know what to make of it.
bazv
I’m very flattered that you seem to have spent some time considering my posts. Well done. You must be very proud of yourself. :rolleyes:
Your other point has been covered often enough. Even the useless Osborne admits it was a Globalcrisis. I realize that some people think that we in the UK are very important , but Ed Balls did not create the global economic crisis.
Naive is a word to describe those that think that the idiot Osborne and CMD are going to fix it.
Most telling to me is fact that I put three examples of the advantages of EU membership. Not answered. Not surprising I suppose.
DerekfI thought we were talking about the tens of thousands of rules and regulations which govern every aspect of the lives of the citizens of the EU.
Every aspect? I think not. Another unsubstantiated perpetuation of the Euromyths that the sceptics love so much.
DerekfI thought we were talking about the tens of thousands of rules and regulations which govern every aspect of the lives of the citizens of the EU.
Every aspect? I think not. Another unsubstantiated perpetuation of the Euromyths that the sceptics love so much.
DerekfNorway has to, by and large, adhere to EU rules in order to trade within the EU but has no power over these rules. That’s what we will end up with. The Norwegian economy is many times smaller than the UK’s so I’m not sure if it is a good analogy anyway.
If it is a good analogy, Norway and Switzerland are mentioned a lot, but never Iceland. I wonder why?
As you say, with a bit of luck, a few more Gove-isms and LibDem bust-ups, it will be academic as UKIP will split the Tory vote. 😀
DerekfNorway has to, by and large, adhere to EU rules in order to trade within the EU but has no power over these rules. That’s what we will end up with. The Norwegian economy is many times smaller than the UK’s so I’m not sure if it is a good analogy anyway.
If it is a good analogy, Norway and Switzerland are mentioned a lot, but never Iceland. I wonder why?
As you say, with a bit of luck, a few more Gove-isms and LibDem bust-ups, it will be academic as UKIP will split the Tory vote. 😀
DerekfI was under the impression the authorities (FAA and others) were the ones who did the testing?
This is what happens in a free market economy when you let the manufacturers do their own testing – they work the system and cut corners in order to get certification.
With the FAA working the 787 with a fine toothed comb, it will be interesting to see whether they ask for the resertification of other components (other than the battery).
Manufacturers have always done their own testing. The FAA/CAA are there to oversee the tests and give their stamp of approval. They are involved from the very beginning of a project to ensure that the right testing is planned, it is carried out properly and it is reported correctly. Something has fallen through the cracks here, but whether it should have been spotted before? We’ll found out eventually. Maybe.
DerekfThat’s my fault I’m afraid. I brought it up as an example of the Euromyths that abound.
It might have been fine in Mediaeval times but we have better ways of measuring things now so why not use a much more convenient system of measurements.
Anyway, to get it back on track, here is a few examples of the EU benefits my working life at least. I’m sure I have posted these before but I make no apology for repeating them.
A few stories.
I worked on a flight test project where the company, voluntarily, invoked the Working Time Directive. This meant that we all had to work no more than 48 hours per week over a rolling 17 week average. The company resourced accordingly and the project progressed well. People weren’t overworked and weren’t expected to do 60, 70 80 hour weeks as was the norm in the past. Bearing in mind that a 48 hour working week for most people is still a lot of hours, we felt it was hugely beneficial to the safe and efficient conduct of the project. This project took place in 2001/2002. The Working Time Directive has, in some eyes, become part of some sort of demonic socialist agenda. Well, it isn’t. It was actually hugely beneficial to those doing the job and to the company as well.
My current job is becoming increasingly bogged down with paperwork with everything requiring multiple signatures and counter signatures. A bureaucratic nightmare if ever there was one. Is this down to the EU? No. This is all homegrown bureaucracy that has sprung up in the last few years. Anyone who thinks that exit from the EU will somehow dramatically decrease the amount of red tape is only kidding themselves. We in the UK are fully capable of tying ourselves up in red tape without any help from outside.
The homogenization of rules and regulations makes trade within the EU so much easier. In my last job it was easy to conduct training within the EU as the rules were all the same for everyone. Training outside the EU was altogether more difficult as local regulations varied and not always well understood.
DerekfThat’s my fault I’m afraid. I brought it up as an example of the Euromyths that abound.
It might have been fine in Mediaeval times but we have better ways of measuring things now so why not use a much more convenient system of measurements.
Anyway, to get it back on track, here is a few examples of the EU benefits my working life at least. I’m sure I have posted these before but I make no apology for repeating them.
A few stories.
I worked on a flight test project where the company, voluntarily, invoked the Working Time Directive. This meant that we all had to work no more than 48 hours per week over a rolling 17 week average. The company resourced accordingly and the project progressed well. People weren’t overworked and weren’t expected to do 60, 70 80 hour weeks as was the norm in the past. Bearing in mind that a 48 hour working week for most people is still a lot of hours, we felt it was hugely beneficial to the safe and efficient conduct of the project. This project took place in 2001/2002. The Working Time Directive has, in some eyes, become part of some sort of demonic socialist agenda. Well, it isn’t. It was actually hugely beneficial to those doing the job and to the company as well.
My current job is becoming increasingly bogged down with paperwork with everything requiring multiple signatures and counter signatures. A bureaucratic nightmare if ever there was one. Is this down to the EU? No. This is all homegrown bureaucracy that has sprung up in the last few years. Anyone who thinks that exit from the EU will somehow dramatically decrease the amount of red tape is only kidding themselves. We in the UK are fully capable of tying ourselves up in red tape without any help from outside.
The homogenization of rules and regulations makes trade within the EU so much easier. In my last job it was easy to conduct training within the EU as the rules were all the same for everyone. Training outside the EU was altogether more difficult as local regulations varied and not always well understood.
DerekfI’m not sure I ever said imperial measurements were arbitrary and a history lesson about how they were derived is a) not necessary and b) irrelevant.
The EU is not forcing you to use anything. If you want to tell people you are 4 foot 3 inches tall then nobody is stopping you. Aviation has kept the imperial units it needs to or were too difficult to change but in many ways the units are irrelevant. It is where they are mixed that problems arise. Weights and fuel loads are a good example.
As I said before, to rubbish metric units because it is based on tens (everyday counting is to base 10) or because it was invented by the French is slightly bizarre and a little worrying, unless, of course you have 12 fingers.
bazv
‘Lovely’ to see the naive lefty back
Nice to see you have remained true to form as well. Slightly odd insult isn’t it? Calling someone naive? A bit wide of the mark to be honest.
Anyway, at least it’s a diversion from discussing the oaf Farage.
DerekfI’m not sure I ever said imperial measurements were arbitrary and a history lesson about how they were derived is a) not necessary and b) irrelevant.
The EU is not forcing you to use anything. If you want to tell people you are 4 foot 3 inches tall then nobody is stopping you. Aviation has kept the imperial units it needs to or were too difficult to change but in many ways the units are irrelevant. It is where they are mixed that problems arise. Weights and fuel loads are a good example.
As I said before, to rubbish metric units because it is based on tens (everyday counting is to base 10) or because it was invented by the French is slightly bizarre and a little worrying, unless, of course you have 12 fingers.
bazv
‘Lovely’ to see the naive lefty back
Nice to see you have remained true to form as well. Slightly odd insult isn’t it? Calling someone naive? A bit wide of the mark to be honest.
Anyway, at least it’s a diversion from discussing the oaf Farage.
DerekfI think you will find, that the virus, was a Trojan, next time stu%% you, I’l keep it to myself, and hope YOU get it.
It’s called, “Helping fellow members”
Jim.
Lincoln .7
Keep it to yourself. Good idea. I’m not the habit of clicking on what are obviously Trojans.
1 mile = distance you can walk in 1/4 of an hour, or distance travelled by an ox-cart in one hour.
1 yard = distance from tip of nose to outstretched middle finger, used for measuring cloth.
1 foot = obvious.
1 inch = length of end joint of a finger.
1 gallon of water weighs 10 pounds
1 pint = 1/8 of a gallon, or half of half of half a gallon.
1 metre = circumference of the earth, at a certain height (which I don’t know) divided by a figure (which I also don’t know,) only they got the original measurement wrong, to start with, so the metre is a spurious distance.
There wasn’t much going for Napoleon, but he had no time for this 10-obsession, and, if you’re going to use appendages for counting, we should use 21 (20 for women.)
If the French had had their way, you would now have a 10-month year, and a 10-day week (think of the fun of only getting a weekend after 8 days at work,) but Mother Nature got in the way, and it couldn’t be made to work.
That is probably the funniest and most irrelevant justification of imperial measurements I’ve ever seen. At least I know if I’m ever on an ox-cart, I’ll know how far I’ve gone. Brilliant.
I’m happy using either and in many empirical engineering equations, imperial units must be used but to get all excited and to blame the French is pretty ludicrous. If metric measurements are so bad, why is it the ENTIRE world uses them apart from us and the USA?
John Green
You say you have “no great beef about metric measure” and yet you were Chairman of the Anti-Metrication Board. Right.:confused:
I really couldn’t care less if you use both or hate them but to use metrication as a anti-EU point is way short of the mark. You said yourself you used them in the 1950s and we started the move to metrication before we were Common Market members I reckon it is simply because the French invented the metric system that so many in Britain have a problem with it.
DerekfI think you will find, that the virus, was a Trojan, next time stu%% you, I’l keep it to myself, and hope YOU get it.
It’s called, “Helping fellow members”
Jim.
Lincoln .7
Keep it to yourself. Good idea. I’m not the habit of clicking on what are obviously Trojans.
1 mile = distance you can walk in 1/4 of an hour, or distance travelled by an ox-cart in one hour.
1 yard = distance from tip of nose to outstretched middle finger, used for measuring cloth.
1 foot = obvious.
1 inch = length of end joint of a finger.
1 gallon of water weighs 10 pounds
1 pint = 1/8 of a gallon, or half of half of half a gallon.
1 metre = circumference of the earth, at a certain height (which I don’t know) divided by a figure (which I also don’t know,) only they got the original measurement wrong, to start with, so the metre is a spurious distance.
There wasn’t much going for Napoleon, but he had no time for this 10-obsession, and, if you’re going to use appendages for counting, we should use 21 (20 for women.)
If the French had had their way, you would now have a 10-month year, and a 10-day week (think of the fun of only getting a weekend after 8 days at work,) but Mother Nature got in the way, and it couldn’t be made to work.
That is probably the funniest and most irrelevant justification of imperial measurements I’ve ever seen. At least I know if I’m ever on an ox-cart, I’ll know how far I’ve gone. Brilliant.
I’m happy using either and in many empirical engineering equations, imperial units must be used but to get all excited and to blame the French is pretty ludicrous. If metric measurements are so bad, why is it the ENTIRE world uses them apart from us and the USA?
John Green
You say you have “no great beef about metric measure” and yet you were Chairman of the Anti-Metrication Board. Right.:confused:
I really couldn’t care less if you use both or hate them but to use metrication as a anti-EU point is way short of the mark. You said yourself you used them in the 1950s and we started the move to metrication before we were Common Market members I reckon it is simply because the French invented the metric system that so many in Britain have a problem with it.
Derekfexaggerated and unsubstantiated accusation
Spare me the drama. Honestly :rolleyes:
You’re embarrassed you’ve been caught posting rubbish. Deal with it.
Sorry jbritchford. Maybe we are larger in number than the Nigel Farage Fan Club would have you believe.
It always strikes me as odd that so many slag off our politicians and yet are willing to put their faith in Farage, one of the worst examples of gravy-train passengers we have.
Derekfexaggerated and unsubstantiated accusation
Spare me the drama. Honestly :rolleyes:
You’re embarrassed you’ve been caught posting rubbish. Deal with it.
Sorry jbritchford. Maybe we are larger in number than the Nigel Farage Fan Club would have you believe.
It always strikes me as odd that so many slag off our politicians and yet are willing to put their faith in Farage, one of the worst examples of gravy-train passengers we have.
DerekfCan you still not do any better?
Maybe, what I lack is the inclination to search through 1700 (in 4 months!) posts.
I’m sure you’ll interpret that as some sort of lack of evidence but as they say in the modern vernacular, “whatever” 🙂
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