Hello all,
I am not sure if this will confuse the situation even further, but I came across these two not very sharp copies of a Luciole at Baldonnel and Weston. The serial numbers on both are the same. Does this give credence to the theory that there were two Lucioles at Baldonnel or is the crash scene merely a mock up ? But thats me always causing confusion!
Tony K
[QUOTE=avion ancien;1347012]Can someone shed light in my darkness concerning the current status of the former ‘Blue Max’ Caudron Luciole that is, I assume, still in the USA with the registration N907AC. It’s the one that started life as F-AQFB before being registered to 20th Century Fox Productions Ltd. as G-ATIP. I’d love to see a photo of it bearing UK marks but my researches, to date, have drawn a blank.
Post ‘Blue Max’ it went back to France as F-BNMB before making another Channel hop to become EI-ARF. It was then badly damaged in a hangar collapse in Ireland (where was this?) before crossing the pond to join the Fighting Air Command (FAC) at Hartlee Field, Denton, Texas in the early 1980s.
The FAC sold the Luciole in the late 1980s and the most recent owner that I can attribute to it is Dale L Portschi of Tucson, Arizona. I believe that he was still the owner as recently as November 2008. However I have been unable to ascertain anything concerning its current status. Was it repaired following the Irish hangar collapse? Did it fly in the USA? Is it currently airworthy? If not, what is its current condition and where is it? Does anyone have a recent photo of it? The usual thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
Finally whilst on the subject of the ‘Blue Max’ Lucioles, can anyone enlighten me as to the circumstances in which G-ATIO was destroyed in the course of the making of the film? This is the one which was F-AOFD and F-PHQM before being sold to the film company in the mid 1960s. Like G-ATIP, I have been unsuccessful in tracing a photo of it bearing UK marks. Can anyone help me here?[/QUOT
I have been in touch with Paddy O’Meara who was an Air Corps technician and who worked on the “Blus Max” aircraft 1965/68. He is certain that there was only one Luciole and it was not involved in a crash. When I saw EI-ARF F-BNMB at Baldonnel August ’67 it had French roundels. More searching needed.
Paddy kindly supplied the attached picture.
Thanks Bob for that.
Glad that you enjoyed the reunion Blue Max and of course your Dad is very well remembered and held in high regard.
I have no doubt that another event will come about in the future.
A Battle of Britain film reunion akin to the Irish event sound like a great idea!
Tony K
There is usually no difficulty in visiting the Museum. and yes it is an active air base. Suggest that you write to A/M Michael Whelan , Curator, Irish Air Corps museum and Heritage Centre, Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel. Co Dublin.
Michael will make you welcome and make your visit memorable. PM me if you wish
Tony K
Many thanks James for the instant reply and special thanks for everyones efforts. How on earth the picture (obviously from an album) came to Ireland is a mystery, there has to be a story out there.
Tony K
Many thanks Fouga23
Tony, couldn’t find any difference to the info of http://www.irishairpics.com/aircorps/aircorps_history/register.php
What do you mean with ‘not fully accurate‘?
Martin
Martin,
There are too many to list and the listings seemed to have been compiled from other equally innacurate lists. A few examples Cadet 6 (the C had been dropped by this time) accident was 23 March 1942, Cadet 7 was not sold until !947. No mention of the sole SE5, incorrect serials listed for various aircraft, eg the serial listed for Seafire 154 is actually a cancelled Lancaster contract, Gladiator Hinds Hectors etc fates are incorrect. The aircraft 141/2/3 are Avro XIX series1 and not Anson 19, The Avro 621 (Mongoose engine ) was never referred to as a Tutor in IAC service and so on. That is why I am asking about primary sources.
Eric PM on it’s way
Acro Cadet (Howard) PM on it’s way
Many thanks to all.
Tony K
Thanks wieesso for your quick reply, unfortunately that website is not fully accurate. What I am looking for is primary source material.
Many thanks
Tony K
Dick manages Popham airfield.
A real gentleman and one really nice person.
Tony K
Hello Tony,
mmany thanks for clearing up 161 etc.
Do you know anything at all on G-15-74,5, or 80, 81 ?
I wonder if any more will ever come to light ?
Many thanks
Alex
Sorry Alex,
I can’t help you there.
Regards
Tony K
Alex,
Spitfire PV202 was 161
ML407 was 162
regards
Tony K
Off to Ireland next week for a holiday so does anyone know if its possible to visit the IAC Museum at Baldonnel. Particularly with regard to opening times as I’m only in the area for a couple of days.
Anywhere else that should be on my list of places to visit?
Cheers all.
If you are prepared to put up your real name I am sure that I could help.
Tony K
Hi Mark,
Spitfire 160/MK721 crashed at Baldonnel during touch and go training on 15 February 1957. The pilot survived and went on to a career in Aer Lingus, luckily no fire.
Tony K
TJ,
It did not arrive at Foynes, I understand that it had technical problems in Canada plus lousy weather over the Atlantic and Ireland. The two pilots came over for the ceremony but not much excitement without the aircraft.
Tony K