TomcatViPI am not certain, but I think he was referring to the last of my comments in the post he was responding to, that missiles are not 100% reliable and that you can’t expect a 1:1 exchange ratio. It is not necessary for a weapon to kill an enemy every time you pull the trigger for it to be combat effective.
Correct!
TomcatViPThe right attitude would be the us one imho : let designs compete, give head of project to the winning one but assuring industrila parts to other contenders.
+1
…and a bit more of audacious thinking in the way they are conducting this industry. There is not that much of diff in the housing industry on that point. That’s ridiculous.
TomcatViPYes, with most Russian SAMs for instance it is standard procedure to fire two missiles at each target. Even if they killed every single target they engaged that would produce a PK of 50% according to the math typically applied on the internet to BVR missiles.
Also, some shots are taken with certain assumptions. (If he doesn’t turn he will eat a missile…) The goal is either to make the target turn or die. The missile can accomplish its mission without killing its target, and it did not somehow fail.
Finally, who on earth got the idea that any weapon “works” 100% of the time? Take your pick of missiles, you never expect to achieve an exchange rate of 1 missile per target.
Time to push back the old Ben Rich/K-J ditto: there is a raison why missiles are not called “hit”iles…
TomcatViP270° at 350 NM but if you look a bit earlier on topic you will see demo 2013, or shall i post it again?
I was more looking at the action taking place in the 150-220 in the vid. Especially that roll with the 10-15deg nose up at the begining.
TomcatViPYes but the French aren’t lining up to invade Brazil now? Nor do they base fighter aircraft in Latin America on a permanent basis.
Range for airpolicing but why offensive RCS? See below for Venezd’�tre
Chavez is dead.
Vezuela’s future is uncertain and it’s more likely that it will have some sort of implosion than some Argentina 1982 style assault on it’s neighbours.
And Brazil certainly didn’t intervene last time Venezuela imploded in 1992 and F-16’s were shooting down OV-10 Broncos or in 2002.
Most likely Venezuela will stabilise and return to some sort of normality (i.e. nominal democracy with narco terrorism, corruption, high crime, dodgy politicians etc).
Brazillian Air Force was involved in LGB strikes against drug smuggling air strips as late as November 2011 (Operation Agata 2 and 3).
No the french are not going to invade Br at least untill they won’t be denied charter flights to Rio 😉
Venezuela won’t invade its neightbours too. I was more thinking abt in-country instability that will imbalance the region stability.
Imagine a post Farc organisation being backed up by a tiers country (non-latin america). Colombia won’t exclude any crossborder action since the new Security they enjoy now is of a national interest (I mean that their citizen will back-up such action).
This is something Br won’t hve any interest to let happend. Br eco needs stability. Hence discreet strikes with no Venezuelan mil target being hit or fully incapacited (much like the recent IAF strykes on Syria). Don’t forget that Mil power raison d’être is when no political solution are available. And there is no other solition in such a scenario.
So range and low offensive rcs (as opposed to a noria of uber expensive supporting assets).
By the way, I wasn’t aware of the recent action of the BrAF bombing Narco trafic targets. Thx!
TomcatViPNice vid. Thx for posting
Roll rate at low speed looks like a bit slow.
TomcatViPIts only logical to expect SAAB now working closely with other partnering nations/companies in a post cold war, and given the future market outlook. The market would be primarily European (unless SAAB wants to sell to china 😉 ) so it makes absolute economic sense for the to get as much of the work share as they can. I expect UCAS’s over the next decades to be more indigenous then tactical fighters so there should be more designs compared to fighters…India and china have long term programs in place, the US has a huge amount of investment in place, Europe also has solid plans…
I totaly agree with the above. The worst the Eu wld do is to go again with partnering widely. Let’s the competition takes place and wipe out all the push paper this industry is filled with.
Some will argue (again) with the high unemployement rate but, c’mom, it’s all abt hi-tech industry: seeding knowledge in your industrial basis.
TomcatViPThanks for the clarification. I do remember the surname of the pilot and the paintsheme of the plane.
TomcatViPOk thanks, can’t understand that typing. 🙁 Sorry about that
Well… I am sorry too (and thx for the translation)
Posting during vacations should be avoided for the sake of other forumers.
B.O.T: during an airshow in Paris (2005?) I was impressed by the high alpha pulls up performed by the pilot (Navy) at various airspeed. The pitch rate in all conditions was impressive.
TomcatViPThre might be also the prob of numerous diff block. Dassault is used to tailor their product to customer’s requirement as much as a in the BJ business. The cost of rewiring the thing might be unexpected;
otherwise the F1 looks still like more dynamics than the interesting JF17
TomcatViPNot to mention Brazil’s AF has AWACS etc.
F-16 is more than sufficient as is JAS-39.
Rafale is overkill in an environment where the main treat is narco terrorists and where:
a.) Most neighbouring countries don’t have fighter planes (Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Guyana, Suriname, French Guinea)
b.) Neighbouring countries that do have fighter planes generally field 3rd generation (Argentina, Colombia) or have small basic 4th generation fleets (Peru)
c.) Only Venezuela operates small numbers of advanced 4th generation aircraft but not enough for power projection.
French Guyana hve Charles de Gaule’s Rafale and potentialy M2K, Typhoon etc… 😉
Brazil needs range and low offensive rcs.
Venezuela is potentially the first big mess of Sth Am for the 21st century. Certainly a test for the ones with global ambitions-> hence range and low rcs
And there is no [more?]Narco terro threat in Br
TomcatViPWell i don’t know how to agree on this debate. Super Hornets called a slow speed air superiority plane/dogfighter. It has the best slow speed characteristics for maneuverability in the air superiority arena. I doubt any fighter can go that slow to dogfight like a Super Hornet. Super Hornets challenging plane to fight in the air. But Eurofighter has to go fast to dogfight, meaning it’s afterburners are always on to dogfight the opponent and get the kill. I don’t know how well the Super Hornet can do in a high speed dogfight, meaning don’t know how can it dogfight using afterburners all the time. But in slow speed dogfighting, you’ll have to use afterburners to climb/get energy for the Super Hornet.
It’s quite bizarre to be going slow to dogfight in todays dogfights but mostly dogfights occur with afterburners on and little bit of maneuvering. But i think you need afterburners on to get the kill fast or try to get away and then shoot.
Either way, it depends on the pilot/enemy if they’d want to get in a high speed dogfight or go slow.
But don’t know how WVR engagements will start or don’t know how BVR engagements start.
Anyone who hve seen the SH at airshow will hve doubt abt anything in Eu tht hve a better nose authority.
Even the Flank looks like slower in term of alpha/s
But true, the transonic perfs are deceptive only for their pilots (I guess it’s an SA improving feature for Boeing PR) 😉
TomcatViPIf that is true, then the Su-35S With its 117S engines would be a Perfect platform and advanced engines TOT. And much less strings Attached vs any SH deal.
Do i see a New FX** Tender on the Horison?
What are the Requirements b.t.w. ?
An Su-35S With its range would serve and protect the Huge Land areal and huge Sea Areal quite nicely.. so why aren’t the Super Flanker in the race?
On top of that you get the capabilities to import weapons system like Brahmos etc.
The situation has changed. US is turned twrd Asia and Pacific in a containment policy (and not in a full-scale war as some would believe). Brazil is the industrial giant of Sth Am. With heavy fiscal restraints being now of a strategic interest for the US, hving a strong partner to survey the Eastt-South bound Atlantic axes might looks like way much more interesting than preserving not ultra-sensitive industrial technologies for the next then years or so (Even French assets would hve looks good in that vision for US interest until the F35 was mature enough – funny then to re-read the heated hatred rhetoric seen at the time).
I would expect a strong packaged deal with Brazil (although Argentina might be competing for the role despite some potential friction with UK doing so – hence the interest of some to heat-up the tensions with the Falklands/Malvinas).
Only assumptions of course . But somewhat in line with the above posted “news”.
But Biden tan and smile might anyway get at least more attention in Brazil than some former presidents 😉
TomcatViPCL and CD are COEFFICIENTS. When in the same flow regime, they are constants of similitude. What’s huge at speed is the associated lift and drag, not their coefficients.
Yes. My (huge) mistake. 😉
TomcatViPLijian UCAV taxiing footage, starts from 1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3CSUlEwSLtg
This footage looks like more a funeral procession.
My guess: time to close the thread 😉
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