awful, any chance you might be able to get some up to date photos of her before she passes away?
pretty sure that would make me
A) want to cry
B) lose the contents of my stomach
i would be ashamed if that ever happened (as well as a lot of other british people) every tourist would laugh at what was once our national pride
thought she was going to be destructively tested on site?
I cant ever see a private company looking after her like the Royal Navy does and if profits dipped what then??
curlyboy
“hello and welcome to the evening news, at approximately 2am this morning the national treasure “HMS Victory” caught fire, firefighters have been tackling the blaze since the early hours, but have been unable to far to quench it. speculation as to how the fire started leads main suspicions to the newly installed ballroom on the gundeck, installed by the new ownerm, after the navy had to sell her on due to maintenance costs”
Or
“… speculation as to the cause of the blaze so far is suspicious. as the ship, having been left standing for 18 months in a state of appauling decline, as her new owners have been unable to maintain her…”
its so easy to hear…
Taken From the Daily Mail Website”
“The government today sparked uproar by revealing Lord Nelson’s legendary flagship HMS Victory could be given away to a private owner as a cost cutting measure.
The Ministry of Defence revealed the historic 18th century warship may be too expensive to maintain and her funding is currently under review.
This could see her passed to a private firm or given to a charity to save cash, which critics say would be ‘a tragedy’.
The MoD argues that increasing budgetary pressures mean it must review Victory’s future like any other ship.
But a former Commanding Officer of Victory and ex-First Sea Lord said handing over the oldest commissioned warship in the world to a private company would make a mockery of Britain’s naval heritage.
Victory, which was built between 1759 and 1765 and was Lord Horatio Nelson’s flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar, has pride of place at the historic dockyard in Portsmouth, Hants.
Lt Cmdr Michael Cheshire, now retired, was Commanding Officer of Victory from 1992 to 1998 and was awarded an MBE for his services to the Royal Navy.
He said: ‘If they sell her or give her away to charity it will be an absolute tragedy.
‘This magnificent ship means so much to both naval people and the whole nation – selling it to a private firm would turn it into Disneyland and would be its ruin.
‘HMS Victory is the core of the naval base, the core of Portsmouth, and to sell off this icon would indicate the decline of the Royal Navy.’ HMS Victory costs a minimum of 1.5m pounds to maintain and run each year, but that figure can go up when major work is needed.
HMS Victory
The legendary HMS Victory in all her glory.The historic warship could be run by a charity or public body, the Ministry of Defence said today
Every year around 400,000 visitors clamber onto the wooden warship to marvel at the workmanship and pay their respects to Lord Nelson who died during the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805.
Entrance fees are divided up and shared between all the major attractions at the dockyard.
The MoD said it was considering whether to hand Victory to a private company, a charitable trust similar to the one that looks after the Mary Rose, another government department or keep the status quo.
Portsmouth South’s Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock said handing the 100-gun Victory to a charity would mean an uncertain future.
‘It would be a constant battle for funding – she would never be kept in the condition she is now,’ he said.
‘It would be an absolute tragedy if she were to become commercial.
‘It would make a mockery of what we say about protecting our heritage.
‘I would never support anything that would take it out of the hands of the state – we have a duty and a moral responsibility to keep Victory.
‘She has been the flagship of the Royal Navy and she needs to remain in the hands of the state and be protected by the guarantees of government.’ A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said it was committed to keeping Victory in the best possible condition, adding that sticking with the current set-up was one of the options.
She said: ‘The review is imminent and will involve a huge number of stakeholders, right down from the treasury to local heritage groups.
‘It will not come to any firm recommendations until 2009, and no time limit has actually been set for a final decision.
‘The study will consider all options for the funding of Victory, because as a public body we have a duty to look at providing best value for money.
‘That could include passing the ship to another government department, to a charity or to a company limited by guarantee of her status, or keeping it as it is.
‘Whatever happens, we are committed to keeping Victory as a commissioned warship, the flagship and the ship of the Second Sea Lord.’ Former First Sea Lord Sir Julian Oswald said: ‘The Victory is a wonderful icon and a national treasure.
‘The Navy has been lucky to have had her to look after for the past 200 years and I hope it goes on for the next 200.
‘Talk of selling her or anything of that sort is absolutely daft.
‘In the grand scheme of things it can’t be that expensive to keep her – she is just wood and canvas.’ Portsmouth council leader Gerald Vernon-Jackson said: ‘It is crucial she remains in Portsmouth and part of the historic dockyard.
‘I understand there is a limited budget and money has to be spent on equipment to protect our troops and save lives.
‘But it’s essential Victory remains available to the public and in tip top condition – she must not be allowed to rot.
‘My concern is a private firm could restrict access and just open her for corporate events or increase admission prices.
‘It’s essential people have a sense of our history, and people have a sense of what makes us British and what makes us unique.
‘Understanding our history is what defines our character as a nation.’ However Portsmouth North MP Sarah McCarthy-Fry said she was in favour of the review.
She said: ‘In today’s climate when our troops are on prolonged operations I think it is right to question whether we should be using funding on what is essentially heritage.
‘I think it is right to open the debate and I am open minded – provided Victory stays in Portsmouth and provided our heritage is preserved in the condition it is now.
‘If those conditions cannot be imposed then other options would have to be looked at.’ Victory was launched in 1765 at Chatham Dockyard, was commissioned in 1778 and spent the next 34 years in service.
On September 15, 1805 she sailed from Portsmouth to join the British fleet as they prepared to battle the French under Napoleon’s rule.
On October 21, off Cape Trafalgar, Admiral Lord Nelson’s fleet of 27 ships formed into two columns and sailed towards the enemy.
With Nelson on board, Victory sailed into the centre of the battle and opened fire.
With the fighting at its fiercest, Nelson was shot by a French marksman and taken below where he died from his wounds.
However, the battle was won and the French fleet was never a threat again.
Much damaged, Victory was towed to Gibraltar and finally returned to Portsmouth in December 1805 bearing Nelson’s body.
After repairs at Chatham she was recommissioned in March 1808.
In 1812, she returned to Portsmouth where she ended her sea-going life.
In 1831 she was listed for disposal but Sir Thomas Hardy, First Sea Lord and Victory’s commander at Trafalgar, refused to sign the warrant.
In 1889 she became the flagship for the Commander-in-Chief and remains so today.
Following a national appeal led by the Society for Nautical Research, Victory, then anchored off Gosport, was put into her present dock in January 1922, and work began to restore her to her 1805 appearance.”
thats a very good point david! but surely a building that would not be large enough to contain her in her current “rigged” state. surely she would have to have her masts removed and effectively be “de-rigged”
If costs the MOD colossal amount to maintain her, i wonder how much the american government have to pay out for USS constitution who is (i believe) still afloat and used to sail about from time to time
right ok, after having dug out the plans, i photographed them also found a picture of what the completed model should look like (my size 11 foot is for scale :eek:)



and this being the completed model
It really would be something else to see one of these fly again, even if its a replica!
i suppose a factor do do with maintenance with Belfast is that she’s permanently afloat, vicotry has the luxury of a drydock?
Sorry James, i meant government in generaly, i didnt realise at the time that this might be a sweeping generalisation, i was grumpy after waking up :diablo: i would have thought that the MOD are under pressure from the higher ups in grey suits to cut back more though? if things were to change, would she still remain a ship of the queens navy? i understand she still carries her commission?
its not like the americans would do the same with “Uss Constitution”
Regards
Ben
would you have to run it with the cowl off?
simple answer is no, they shouldnt
but they arent concerned with history, just how much money they can make for themselves, thats mainly the reason for our current economic climate 🙁
couple on airliners.net
i ordered them from america AGES ago, they’re drawn up by a chap called “jim pepino”
its 1/4 scale and ideally powered by an inline twin of 60cc or more, depending on wanting a race legal one or a true to scale one, there is an 88″ or a 100″ wingspan version, the drawings ive got are for the 100″
PP i think you’re not far from me? if you would like, id be more than happy to photocopy them for you
Ben
P.s
a link to jim pepino’s website,
belair kits in the uk provide a CAD service and offer laser cut “short” kits for the design (ie all bulkheads and formers etc, but have to provide your own stringer and sheet wood etc)
link here
ie an RC model? if you want ive got some plans for a giant scale one i could photocopy for you and post?
Ben
excellent stuff guys 🙂
… will she be at cockpitfest? 😀