For the PAK-FA i’d expect far better intake and fuselage shaping to allow for a convoluted duct.
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DSI intake JF-17 Thunder (4th prototype) developed by RSK MiG/TsAGI.
Expect something far more sophisticated for PAK-FA considering it’s likely to have intake-embedded weapons bays.:cool:
wow ! thanks Otaku ! looks a lot similar to the pic that was ‘accidentally’ put up on Saturn’s website..even Combat Aircraft had an article by Piotr Butowski with a 3 view layout somewhat similar to this wind tunnel model. the nose differed a little though and lacked the distinct chine..
Personally, imho, I think the definitive PAK-FA design will be much closer (if not THE actual) to this…
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Two recently released (though early research) PAK-FA wind-tunnel model pics.
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Kh-101 & Kh-555.
Jane’s on Kh-101:
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/jdw/jdw071022_1_n.shtml
The US squanders billions because it can afford it …
I’d say the embargo fosters inefficiency and captive customer syndrome as well. With limited suppliers, the locals get a lot more bargaining power.
I’m not sure Alan Greenspan would agree with you, especially on health care & the impending demographic problems, but what does he know, eh?
Oh as for Chinese suppliers- there’s that ‘Firing Squad at Dawn’ syndrome too.
… But even so, theres a long way till the IAF approaches the manner in which the USAF looks within the US for its requirements and supports it to the hilt. Not to mention the funding that has enabled that kind of development within the US.
That would be the all-encompassing, all-pervasive MIC of the US (consolidated after the Cold War), and its constituent representation in Congress (and dare I say it- the White House) that provides support to the hilt and even squanders billions- hardly a model for the World’s largest democracy.
I’d say China is an interesting model as it expands and modernises its defence-tech/production sector in parallel with it’s civilian industrial base.
The arms embargo only increases pressure for indigenisation & efficiency, whether legal (licence production, COTS/dual-use) or ‘other’ means- blatantly reverse-engineered copies. I bet the Russians love the embargo as much as EADS detests it.
I think the Indians are going about things the right way (i.e. 50% offset), if you compare with the recent Saudi ‘purchase’ of Typhoons where the entire support structure will be supplanted with very little economic benefit locally.
The PAK-FA will be a huge leap forward for Indian Aerospace tech. & industry.
Otaku, indeed it is a win win situation for both parties. It will be interesting to look at the differences between the Indian and Russian versions.
I think the IAF is interested in a significant strike capability (including nuclear?some possibly 2 seaters), whereas the Russians want an all-out air-superiority/dominance fighter, delegating strike roles to Su-34/35 and UCAVs.
Looks like HAL production lines will be busy for decades with the ‘export version’ (with royalties going to Sukhoi) to offset the huge Indian financial investments. I’m thrilled that India was not seduced by LM’s F-35 (a $120 million flying turkey) and will be prudent in their MMRCA choice.
I suppose this is the end of the MCA?
Jai Hind!!:)
…maybe you might as well stop believing anything published in any journal, because once in a while, even the best get it wrong.
Yeah, two months ago AW&ST reported that the Su-35BM would have to be rebranded the PAK-FA as a face saving exercise by Sukhoi!! -at worst high octane stupidity, at best a serious editorial gaffe.
Congratulations to India for entering the PAK-FA programme btw. In reponse to Jai above, there is no question of redesign, the distinct timelines indicate a significant ToT refusal, with Indian indigenisation & customisation of probably everything other than airframe & engines.
Nevertheless, it’s going to be an interesting programme, a win-win for both nations.:)
I don’t think the Russians obtaining Iranian F-14s is such a big deal really, especially when they probably made a juicy arms offer when the Iranians were being pummeled in the early stages of the Iran-Iraq war.
I suppose the the AIM-54 would have been of particular interest, though I doubt you’ll find much derived from the AWG-9 in the Zaslon.
Anyways, quid pro quo, as A.G. Tolkachev was busy compromising russian radars at around the same time.
OH NOOOOO!!! Li Dongsheng, spokesman for the Communist Party’s 17th Congress, says China will NEVER have a Western-style democracy- “…we will never copy the Western model of political system”.
Wynne you were right!! Better pump that F-35 production line, better pump it reeeeal goooood!! YEEEEEE-HAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Tell me, did ‘Enron’ or ‘WorldCom’ play by free market rules?, does ‘Haliburton’ or the ‘Carlyle Group’ play fair? I wonder what the up-take of free-market economics’ modules is in Fallujah University?
In his recent autobiography, that champion of late-C20th free-market/supply-side economics, Jeffrey Sachs was remarkably coy on his role in the flawed capitalist transition in the former-Soviet Union. How convenient.
You should have listened to Eisenhower (arguably the greatest US president).
this i remember very well and i felt the design was ‘out of this world’ back then. boy, missed the good old days…
Yeah, this impression is from ‘SMP’ 1987 I think, it was based on grainy test-flight footage of the ‘Flanker-A’ (T-10, the one that had to be extensively redesigned). Nice find btw.
I’m hoping that with the imminent announcement of Indian PAK-FA co-operation in Moscow, some simplified impression of it will be released by month’s-end.
Ahhhh….MiG-29 escorts ‘Backfire’ originally from the DoD’s ‘Soviet Military Power’ 1985 (?), one of my childhood favourites. Thankyou.:)
You can define it! You add one point for each time you read second best AA fighter on the inturrnet. 😮
You’re right, that’s the point system the Japanese & Australian air forces must use, when the former are denied the F-22 and the latter can’t afford it.
Notwithstanding the fact that the RAAF consider their SHs as a ‘stop-gap’ for the F-35- which, incidently, many consider as “not superior enough” to late-gen. Su-30/35s that will be deploying in-theatre in a decade.
http://www.domain-b.com/industry/defence/20071012_development.htm