Its given as 4000 elsewhere so this could be a typo or not. Don’t want to dispute.
Also note it says “According to available information” and “but this is subject to change depending on the trend of spending dragon plane.” whatever that translation means.
Interesting that the same article also states: “we use the same concept of maintenance for the F-16,” said Ali
Hi Wilhelm,
I had the opportunity to actually see the PAC Kamra facilities where the Mirages were being rebuilt, I saw the Mirages rebuilt from the ground up. More interestingly, the head of PAC Kamra said that not only PAF Mirages were rebuilt but that they had foreign customers who were sending their Mirages for rebuilding.
I think thobbes has explained the rest and you found what you were looking for.
The 2025 plan is not cancelled but temporarily suspended. This is a sort of PR the PAF is doing to get more funding from the parliament. However, the ROSE Mirages, from the very beginning were slated to stay longer.
Does anyone have any info on the designed airframe life of the JF-17?
I do know that decades ago, Chinese aircraft such as the F-6 and Q-5 had extremely short TBO figures.
I’ve no doubt that it is very different today, as China has made steady strides.
I recall that one of the main reasons why the SAAF didn’t go for the SMR-95 re-engining was that the engine, an RD-33 derivitive, had a terrible TBO when compared to the ATAR 9K50. This would have entailed a vastly different maintenance setup and schedules, not the least of which was having to send the engines back to the OEM instead of doing all the overhaul, including turbine blade manufacture, themselves.
Is this still the case with the JF-17s RD-93?
Anybody have any info on the above questions?
No reliable information is available on the JF-17s airframe life, IMHO, although I have seen it in the early stages mentioned as 4000 hours, but then there was some news about extending airframe life by reducing Gs to 8 for operational purposes, and then there were airframe strengthening developments and additional static testing…
But overall, the PAF prefers a Western standard and do not share the Soviet philosophy. They like to run their jets, for what seems like forever. The JF-17 is designed from the ground up for ease of maintenance and overhaul, not as a disposable asset.
wilhelm you may want to read up on Pakistan’s Mirage Rebuild Factory.
Oh, and no the Mirages are not all being retired in 2 years.
They are from somebody called “Antibody” as noted in the image. RD-93s are not bad on fuel consumption on military power, they are relatively poor wet. I imagine the figures are for hi-lo-hi, and the Gripen has drastically poor range down low.
It ain’t over till the fat lady sings.
Well, as a stop gap they could also go for PAF refurbished Mirage IIIs leased, and then go for JF-17 block IIIs. Just a thought.
The one place where the JF-17 outperforms the JAS-39, is in low level performance. It is no secret that the Gripen’s range sharply deteriorates at lower altitudes. This is possibly due to the large relative wing area and aerodynamics, which sacrifice lower level performance for greater performance at higher altitudes.
The publication Waypoint notes:
Range and combat radius are not too bat at altitude, but sharply deteriorates at low level. While this is not of critical importance to the Swedish air force, export customers with an emphasis on low-level operations might find the Gripen a bit short-legged for their needs
The other two points the publication notes include a lack of diversity of options for the strike role and high costs associated with the low production numbers.
The JF-17 on the other hand is perfectly suited for low-mid level combat, and slightly less suited to high altitude combat compared to the Gripen.
I think the low-level flight characteristics of the JF-17 make it ideal for the kind of “ambush” style tactics the PAF is so fond of using.
Two other vital characteristics for me would be instantaneous turn rates and rate of climb. Rate of climb is 249 m/s versus 255 m/s, giving Gripen a sliver of an advantage. No numbers available for instantaneous turn rates, but an educated guess would be the JF-17 slightly outperforms the Gripen on ITR.
If T-50 is your LIFT then F/A-50 makes sense as light fighter. If not, it doesn’t: go JF-17 for value-for-money or Gripen NG for performance.
That’s the sensible unbiased answer right there.


I think the jf17 is the best value of the three, so the topic is moot. Note the ng is not a real plane as of now.
I was surprised india did not take the offer for manufacturing a stripped down JSF. This was I believe an offer made by the US. I thought the jsf would be a smarter move. Poor Rafale, still waiting to score a first sale. Will be yesterdays tech delivered tomorrow.
The french have also been known not delivering on promised tech transfer. Brazilians not too happy with the sub deal.
Chinese aesa likely to be about a third or a fifth of that price… remember the cost also subtracts the cost of a conventional radar set, about 1.5-3 million. That is assuming new build jfts
“These were unscheduled Poster MSphere: These were unscheduled encounters and the “fight-on” was given without a encounters and the “fight-on” was given without a side being advantaged for any reasons, and by all side being advantaged for any reasons, and by all mean the video shows the aircraft flying levels mean the video shows the aircraft flying levels even so they are HUD footages.”
How do u know that? Please very your statement.
except that J-20 is built using newer technologies, including 3D printing which allows significant weight gains even over the technology used in the F-22’s manufacturing. In some cases up to 40%.
Having said that, I too do feel that the J-20 is the biggest (not longest) fighter and the jury is out on it until we see what kind of engines it gets. I am sure its not going to be AL-31s.