



yes take a good pic of an intake, find a duck nearby and put it in. then we can say s-duck!
Arent you the same chap who keeps hounding me and calling my posts some sort of a joke? Looks like u provided ur own noose to hang u with
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Perhaps a joint order would break the empasse for the Chinese Su35 orders. If China wants 20 and Russia will sell 35, someone else can pick up the excess 15
I find the Tornados a fantastic interceptor and strike platform. Would be interesting if some countries showed interest in them.
When was the last of those shootdowns in a dogfight? It ain’t a dogfight unless they were able to see each other, & were twisting & turning trying to get the drop on each other.
The word ‘dogfight’ is often misused. BVR missile shots aren’t dogfights, chasing down fleeing enemies isn’t dogfighting, shooting down bombers isn’t dogfighting . . .
Point taken Swerve, but you can actually see the dogfight between the Su-27 and Su-25 in the video I attached to my earlier post.
last jet shot down by dogfight is even older than that
Hmmm… that doesn’t seem to be true. Please see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_air-to-air_combat_losses
This is some cool footage:
http://worldamazona.com/russian-su-27-in-dogfight-with-a-georgian-su-25-video_2324d8aad.html
MiG-21’s generally were superior in flight characteristics, if you read the aforementioned articles. They suffered in practice, especially in target awareness and man to machine interface. Nobody in an F-5(anything) wants to face an F-7G, due to inferiority of the design. But the newest refits give them great odds in a confrontation.
Thanks MadRat for restoring sanity.
Because J-20 Bacon / F-18 Hamburger / J-7 Hotdog / etc etc seems to be steering this away and moving goal posts while punching strawmen, here is what I originally asked:
So, I was thinking of what would happen if these two fine fighters met in air combat. Which would have the upper hand? We are talking about WVR combat here.
Clearly, with the older pure delta models, the F-5s would have the upper hand. But I think, just maybe, just maybe, the J-7G, with its double delta wings will have the F-5s beat.
What say you? Would dearly love a technical analysis of the two.
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As far as HMS and HOBS goes, the J-7G has that as is well known. What we usually discuss in a dogfight are other agility / aerodynamic factors, typically – raw combat performance because HOBS and HMS alone are never good enough (otherwise we would not be berating a whole number of aircraft out there that lack performance).
Hello my crunchy Hasbarah friend, I knew you weren’t done with your false flags. Here is a picture of you spending all day making silly strawman pictures about me:


Hello my crunchy hasbarah friend, the F-7 PG is aerodynamically the same and has the same engines.
Its definitely thus not moving the goal posts. Do you have any other false flags to perform today?
SACM is in AFRL’s ” demonstration ” road map..
Interesting BIO, yet the missile to me looks fat compared to its size, and not ideal for a2a missile intercept? It looks like its designed for shortage of space in an internal storage 5th gen.
Hotshot – Thrust vectoring is already available on latest AAMs.
Maneuvering to avoid a shot is not programmed into modern BVR missiles. Further, such maneuvering would significantly shorten range to target, speed and pk.
Yes, but that’s with the boosters for a SAM. if you exchange the boosters, the RAM could be significantly lighter / smaller (?)
Not to mention a smaller warhead…
maybe something in the 40-50 kg range…
PERFORMANCE (F-7PG)
Max operating Mach No. 2.0
Max level speed 648 kt (1,200 km/h; 745 mph)
Min level speed 114 kt (210 km/h; 131 mph)
Max rate of climb at S/L 11,700 m (38,386 ft)/min
Max instantaneous turn rate 25.2°/s
Sustained turn rate: at 1,000 m (3,280 ft) 16°/s
Sustained turn rate: at 5,000 m (16,400 ft) 11°/s
Sustained turn rate: at 8,000 m (26,250 ft) 8°/s
Service ceiling 17,500 m (57,420 ft)
Theoretical ceiling 18,000 m (59,060 ft)
Operational radius: air superiority (hi-hi-hi) with two AIM-9P AAMs and three 500 litre drop tanks, incl 5 min combat with afterburner 459 n miles (850 km; 528 miles)
Operational radius: air-to-ground attack (lo-lo-hi) with two Mk 82 bombs and two 500 litre drop tanks 297 n miles (550 km; 342 miles)
Ferry range 1,187 n miles (2,200 km; 1,367 miles)
G limits +8/-3
Hi Tomcat,
How does a comparison of the leading edges of F-5A, T-38 and F-5E somehow close the debate? The thread is about the F-5E vs the J-7G…
I do think the J-7G is the superior dog fighter here, and it was argued so earlier. I am yet to see any evidence…
A fascinating adoption of an attack helicopter for naval strike. Given the short span of its blades, if an appropriately high hanger can be found, would make a dangerous copter for a small corvette to carry. Wonder if it could carry ASW equip.
Why haven’t other attack helicopter producers tried this? Would be useful for an anti-small boat swarm strategy
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russias-ka-52-alligator-scout-attack-helicopters-05150/
read the old thread then
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?134900-Rafale-news-amp-discussion-part-XVI/page19that mock up is inside Rafale nose, whether you like it or not, there isn’t much space left, i know you hoped that the total TRM of F-35, F-18,, Gripen.. etc radar are less than mock up counting and the production radar of Rafale will have more TRM than mock up, but to be honest that quite delusional
Haven’t studied aerodynamics in a long while but my laymanish thoughts are as follows: the inward canted LERX has a distinct difference in air flow compared to the outside canted ones. You can see this if u look at a few videos.
Inward canted tends to have more airflow spread over the entire wing while outward canted ones tend to produce closer to the airframe body.
I am not sure how that translates, but my guess is that efficiency of either depends on a myriad of factors and conditions. Each has its advantage.
The outward can’t seems worse for RCS reduction.
VAT does not apply here as MSphere noted.
There are always alternative options available. Like upgrades, life extension, alternative aircraft (Hornets, new build F-16s, a cheap CAS platform, UAVs)
I think the Navy dislikes the F-35 most but that’s just me