Damn… I hoped you had either, found the buried Whirlwind at Westlands, built a full sized flying replica and had posted a video of it’s maiden flight on UTube or at the very least posted some photo’s of your mate’s reconstructed Whirly cockpit…
So, what exactly is it your saying? Looks like something a Spitfire might need…
i wish! but……(sounds like a cue for a song!)…..one Tony Dyer….there’s only one Tony Dyer…one Tony Dyer…..theres only one Tony Dyerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!…
the Whirly at Yeovil is a no go, the 1/4 cockpit is in planning/parts collection.
Finish one project before starting another…Err yes I didn,t listen as well to mine…:o She would be a rare beast if some parts did exist.How much original “pure” spitfire stuff would be in her…?
i know old chap…just was wondering what, if much, exists!
Exactly right, conserve them and put on display as they are, instead of throwing away 95% of the ‘non airworthy’ aircraft to fly it.
Dave
i agree as did a pile of non aviation enthusiasts i showed the pix to….but as usual they do not belong to me anyway.
just what Iwas wondering Ian……..seems like someones already breaking the rules of signing up…
Fantastic! another ‘Fury….love the scheme too
Current issue of the “other” comic has an article on Chinook ZA718 “BN” as part of a Falklands Conflict 25th anniversary issue (is it really that long ago – it seems like yesterday)
With such an important Operation Corporate history as the sole heavylifter for some time after the loss of the Atlantic Conveyor does anybody know if this airframe has been earmarked for preservation when it comes to the end of it’s service life?
In fact is there any system to do this with current RAF airframes – AHB listing or something?
I pray that she will be preserved for the future but there is life in the old girl yet. She is still making history. I have thought about starting a campaign, but it is fair to say that her RAF custodians recognise her part in history.
That said a letter to your MP copied to the AHB, RAFM, SoSD and the PM would help ensure she is on that list.
My first helio flt was in 718 when she was a Mk1, I was then proud to do over 200 hours flight test in her as a Mk2…so it is amazing to see not only her operational history but also her flight test career that helped pave the way for her sisterhood.
Anyone who poo poos Helios just needs to be shown 718 and her record.
beautiful shots…beautiful aircraft…cheers
Tom
I think your museum sounds great and right up there. During my tenure with the BAPC I had plenty of time to consider what is a good or not so good museum. They all had their plus points. Ken Ellis wrote a fantastic paper on the top things the public want from a survey…I shall try and find a copy. The top items were clean toilets and somewhere nice for a coffee. Aircraft came number 4 IIRC!!!
Often people have come a long way or want to take a break during the museum.
I take my girls to many many museums and the visit goes like this:-
Enter, toilet, rush hurridly past the gift shop (more for me than them!), look at half exhibits, coffee & a cake, toilet, other half, into shop for a souvenir toilet and home.
I am more interested in the human side of the story and aircraft parts, so love mixed displays of an aircraft with supplementary displays.
We use the 3 tier labelling format:
Big Font Title: Supermarine Spitfire Mk !
Medium Font : The Spitfire fighter was one of the main RAF fighters of the war…Mitchell, Merlin…..plus very little blah
Small Font: details of manufacturer, key dates, history of particular artefact etc.
This enables the public to pick out exactly what they want in the way of info.
We also like the use of easily approachable people to answer questions.
cheers and look forward to coming over one day!
No Graham,
Coastal Command used them too, the better to co-ordinate with the Royal Navy, etc.
Indeed, the Mossie swapped to Knots later in the war too! I went through my Pilots Notes and found a ton of guff on it and have lost my notes….my wot an exciting life I lead!!!
Knots is a far more sensible way to go anyway.
Regarding pilots notes being preproduction aircraft…not always true. Aircraft were initially issued with Provisional Pilots Notes which had no shots and then RAF Handling Squadron would complete the proper pilots notes after they had their hands on a ‘real’ service aircraft.
Thank you all, the owner thought it was from a Miles Master. rivet you are corect it is AH on the brake lever. Are the part numbers listed Vickers Supermarine or the Air Ministry ?
AH is Dunlop, 300….is Supermarine and JCCL is the bicycle shop that made column parts….James Cycle Company Limited…I have a lovely advert for them somewhere
Just to throw a potential spanner in the works…
I’m not a pilot so have no accurate idea of the actual variation, but there appears to be a huge difference between IAS, Indicated Air Speed, and TAS, True Air Speed.
After glancing at the Mosquito tome earlier today, I think most of the IAS figures were only in the high two hundreds.
It appears to me that gauges reading to 480mph were only of use to see if the wings were about to be ripped off, not for general stooging, or even hurtling, around in level flight, except possibly at sea level. 🙂
Now you’ve gone and done it!! I have had to put my work head back on!!
Right….Indicated Air speed is what the pilot sees…IAS, add instrument error and you get calibrated Air Speed (CAS), add Pressure Error Correction gives Equivalent Airspeed, divide by square root of relative density and you get True Airspeed (TAS)……simple eh!? These are all airspeeds, never to be confused with ground speed…..
since the pilot of a WW2 aircraft only has indicated, flight planning would only be based on that, wind…etc….so what I am saying is that for our purposes we need not worry about CAS, TAS etc. Herring rouge.
Prototype aircraft would not have needed a special instrument in those days. Occasionally they have been known to have paper faces!! A 480 mph ASI was just a natural progression. I have Pilots Notes for most UK types so will have a looksee for a pre 1942 aircraft for Graham.
Olivier,
Sorry, I should have been clearer. VNE is the maximum speed in a dive (Velocity Not to Exceed)
Having had a quick browse, the Mosquito could achive 350+ mph in level flight with the single stage engines, and so it is reasonablt to assume that VNE would have been somewhere over 400 mph.
Bruce
To be pedantic VNE is indeed never exceed, but often there is a VD which is mad speed in a dive (design dive speed)
I have a piccie of the Whirlwind prototype, she had a 400 mph ASI.
As someone stated earlier, the pilots notes have 480 mph ASIs.
The fact is that often aircraft have had ASIs that go up to speeds the aircraft could only dream of. Just like your car does. Nowadays, it is known as ‘future proofing’ yuk.
Like aircraft, all gauges are built to specs….DefStans and Mil Stds nowadays.
welcome old chap, and yes early Spitfire…..would love it if you don’t!!!:D 😀
I started collecting cockpits just cos no one would let me inside their Spitfires (and yes I asked very very nicely).
Like all in this world, the actions of the idiotic few ruin it for the majority.
What amuses me is that Planetalk reference this topic and someone makes the sweeping generalisation that seems to imply all the Flypast Forumites are odd/stupid/insert insult here. I am a big one for live and let live, but I do find bickering between forums sad. I am on both forums and have no problem with either. I dont understand why people make the same posts on both tho’!!:)