just imagine the insurance required for a ‘vintage’ aircraft carrying passengers, i think the cost would be prohibitive.
Not cheap – it would mean the aircraft having to earn its keep – for example: Classic Wings fleet at Duxford (this being a commercial operation, not a group owned aircraft).
The difference is locomotives tow carriages and all 500 of the members of the group can expect a few trips behind ‘their’ loco each year to justify the share/membership fee that they will be expected to pay each month (for ten years!).
This does not work for aircraft unless you are talking about a 747.
anybody got an idea where this little baby is residing?
North weald , Essex.
the likes of the bayliss boys, mr grey, and so forth deserve recognition for the jobs they do, and the amount of money that comes out of their own pockets to keep their aircraft in such amazing condition.
In that case, perhaps you will be gracious enough to edit your first post as your reference to “tight fisted git” is not really clear on this point ?
Superb model, without question (but its a Napier Deltic diesel engine!).
could this be an opportunity for some tight fisted git to finanace a rebuild?
Hi Mark, would you care to elaborate on that please? Do you have someone in mind or is this just your general term for the folks who pay for the restoration of these wonderful aeroplanes.
does this mean the Patina owned P40B restoration is now progressing in the US.
It does – as reported in the press.
Zwitter, all contributions towards a repaint gratefully accepted! They are not cheap and as the baulk of the airframe paint is not showing any fade at the moment the owner would rather put the money towards the ever esculating insurancerunning costs.
This is true – the paint and consumables alone for MJ730 cost £2,500 in 2002. The labour costs about three times as much on top of that.
I, however, officially volunteer my time for free – just tell me where to be 🙂
Yes, agree with Charlielima5 in that protection is not guaranteed. Only that due consideration is to be given for the history of a site before any re-development takes place.
But it’s a start – well done to all those involved in the process.
‘Protection’ for a listed building means that any proposed demolition or alteration of the building requires listed building consent. The protection applies to the building and, usually, also its immediate surroundings (to the extent that the ‘setting’ of the listed building is affected by the proposed development). The planners will take in to account the historic significance of the building and the site around it when they consider any application. As far as I can see the ‘listing’ applies only to the buildings under discussion and not to entire airfields although there could be discussion as to how far the curtelage or immediate surroundings of, say, a listed WWI hangar, actually extend.
Blue Max- Interesting ideas . However what annoys me is that because the airfield was effectively morribund for a number of years should that actually mean that the number of movements now is actually a material increase? The rational I would have thought is that the airfield by being such an item relies on having aircraft movements . The fact that not a lot happpened for a while shouldn’t really affect it that much .
Maybe the rational thing to do would be to look through the flying logs and work out an average .
David, you have to take off your common sense hat and think like planners. If an airfield was moribund for years (in effect a disused airfield), when someone comes along and starts to use it as an airfield again they are in danger of falling foul of the planning system because if their use of the field is questioned thay may have difficulty in proving ten years continuous use. The planners see an airfield in use as being a change of use from a disused airfield. The person in question would then have to apply for planning consent to continue his use of the field and such an application would be decided ‘on its own merits’.
I am not a planning officer by the way, I work for the opposition!
Having been fortunate enough to find one of the rarest items in Aviation Archaeology a Spinner Badge from Defiant N1694 I was wondering exactly what the purpose of this item was?
The badge appears to be a press fit into the hole at the front of the spinner, held by a rubber disc and steel clip – I assume it acts as a cover, but for what? Is there a spinner fixing clip at the front as well as the back of the spinner?
Think about how a ‘spinner’ is made and why it is called a ‘spinner’. It starts life as a big flat disc of alloy in a lathe and is spun. Tools are then applied to the disc to form the required conical shape. The hole at the end was where it was secured in the lathe and putting a badge there is a nice finishing touch and fills the hole too.
Well – thats cleared that up!
You would all better serve the airfield by reading the report very carefully and trying to understand it in the context of currrent planning legislation, that way you may be able to offer the users some real help.The law says that if you carry out an activity on a site in the UK there must be planning consent in place for that use or you must be able to prove the use has been on-going for ten years. Digging up old photos fromthe 60’s and 70’s will not help. Many of the current uses, it appears from reading the report, are relativley new, including the use of the field for general aviation and training flying. If you undertake a new use on a site without consent you do run a grave risk in the first ten years. Ultimately one or more of the current uses may have to be subject of planning application and will, as the report says, be considered on their own merits. Thats the way our planning system works I am afraid.
Wow – that was the fastest update ever!
What a fascinating thread.