The ‘Handley Page Hampden & Hereford crash log‘ only records P1336 as being lost on the night of the 25/5/40 stating ‘collided with balloon cable at 23.08 hours over Coventry while on cross-country, killing three, Cat W’.

FD265 was a Vengance IV!

Geoff.

Slight correction to my first post, the date of W4767s loss was the night of the 17th/18th January 1943. The crew were P/O J Woolford RCAF, Sgts K E Slade, J H Worrow, L Noble, F B Andrews, R Waudby and G McM Hair. All are buried in the War Cemetery, Kiel. P/O Woolford came from Charleston, Illinois.

Geoff

‘I tell you, the C/O said to follow Route 66 and we couldn’t go wrong’

Hey Boss, I think I know what’s been causing that bumping noise for the last few miles’

‘Are you sure little Robert asked for a Fort for Xmas?’

‘Oh no, here comes a Highway Patrol officer on his Kawasaki Ki-100’

Geoff

Driver ‘If that’s the A20 over there, this must be the B17’

‘Shortage of tow-trucks forces garage to use B-17 instead’

‘Lancman returns unwanted Xmas present’

‘New Corgi 1/1 scale B-17 hits problems with Royal Mail delivery’

‘Ram raid at Hendon – B-17 missing’

‘New Boeing MPV gets thumbs down from ‘Top Gear’

Geoff.

John (?)

Now you’ve taken my suggestion on the BoBHS forum, I only hope my friends on here won’t let me down, and can provide the info you’re looking for.

Geoff.

Mark,

It was still on display there in 1997! http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/Vac97.htm and comes from the Me110 of Major H-W Schnaufer, 121 victories ‘Schnaufer’s greatest one-off success came on 21 February 1945, when he destroyed 9 RAF heavy bombers in the course of one day, two in the early hours of the morning and a further seven in the evening. Post-war research suggests that in fact his total that day was 10, one claim not having been acknowledged.’ See here for more info on Schnaufer http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/schnafer.html

And here for a list of ‘Me’ relics & photos (click on the link on the left) http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/relics/Relics%20Messerschmitt.htm

The main page is here http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/Luftwaffe/relics/

Geoff.

In an old thread Geoff “Von Perthes” mentioned the Bf110 was one of four brought to the UK for museum display (I guess as a war prize). He says two still existed, one was lost and one destroyed. I want to know, how was one ‘lost’? Was it flown and crashed? Or simply misplaced.

Dave,

The four aircraft I was referring to were Me110G (WNr 180850) which was the 110 in ‘Angels one five’, Ju87D-5 (WNr 494083) which is extant at Hendon, Me 109G-14 (WNr 464863) which was last known as being in store at Wittering in February 1950, its subsequent fate being unknown!, and Me 109G-14 (WNr 163824) is the ‘109 which Doug Arnold tried to bring to the UK (as G-SMIT) from Australia, presumably it is still in Australia, but I’m sure others can update us on its current location. It was not, as you can see, four Me110s that I was referring to.

As to how aircraft can just be ‘lost’, buy or borrow a copy of ‘War Prizes’ by Phil Butler (Midland Counties Publications), and you’ll be surprised how many ‘last known’ locations of aircraft are followed by ‘subsequent fate unknown’ or somthing simililar. Perhaps there was seen to be no need to record their trip to the scrap yard, not being RAF aircraft?

Geoff.

Are there any photos of R4118 as she was found in India?

Geoff.