Roger,I would say it’s far less likely to have an accident in a Spit than a Buchon.It’s not a case of if a Buchon has an accident,but when,and that’s a statement from a guy who’s flown them.The only decent Buchons are the ones that have been re-engined with original DB’s.I worry about what the future holds for the Buchon under restoration at Brieghton.
As for MH415,I’m glad to see it’s come home atlast.Can’t have too many Spits! 🙂
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I would expect Cosford to be a pretty safe bet for a Concorde, after all it is the home of the british Airways museum.
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True Kev,had forgotten about Cosford,thanks.Makes you wonder how they’d get one there though,would make for one hell of a transport job!
Well it would certainly be good news if BA can pull this one off.I do wonder though how practical the idea is and how long they would be able to keep things going for.Mustn’t be pessimistic…
As for Concordes going to UK museums,you have to consider what long term future one would have when the majority of preservation groups don’t have access to decent shelter for the exhibits.Perhaps one to Wroughton for the Science Museum,and perhaps one to Duxford.Then possibly a taxiiable example at Bruntingthorpe?After that you really begin to run out of options. Most UK museums simply can’t handle an exhibit of such size and complexity,so I don’t think we can really complain if a number of ‘our’ Concordes go abroad for preservation,or if one or two go to museums which already have one.
Thanks David.Being as she is pictured here at an RAF display I presumed she must at some point have been handed over to the RAF.
Bah and humbug to ‘cost cutting measures’!:mad:
Thanks for that David,much appreciated.Seems a shame they decided to ground her,it would surely have been possible to have kept her flying if the decision had been taken?Who was flying her when she won the King’s cup,was she owned by Hawker themselves or a private individual??
One thing that does strike me as odd is that she doesn’t appear to have adopted an official military serial,so what identity did the RAF fly her under at the time of these pictures?
Sounds to me like she would make an excellent candidate for the RAFM’s authentic colour scheme policy.Being the company demonstrator all her life means,IMHO,that she should be put back into this unique civvy identity rather than an assumed military one.
..and another pic of the aircraft in the static park at presumably the same show…
As a follow-on to Andrew’s post,there’s an interesting item about the Fire Services Central Training Establishment at Manston on the f4aviation site.
http://www.f4aviation.co.uk/Hangar/2003/manston/manston.htm
No offence Droptank,but I’m not sure you understand the way these restorations go.It quite often happens that you have to wait for a part to either be restored or built before you can progress further,hence the lack of obvious progress on the Beau.There are quite a number of bits you simply have to wait for before you can go on with the restoration.As an example,TFC have been investigating the possibilities of modifying the engine mounts to accept a later verson of Herc,servicable examples of the early versions being seeimingly extinct.An outside company has to design the mod,which then has to be approved etc etc.There is no point doing work which later has to be undone.You simply have to have patience and let things take as long as they take.
Don’t be surprised if you don’t see work being done on airshow days either-all the TFC staff will be out organising things on the flightline.
As an aside,the Beau piccy that Moggy put up is a Banff Strike Wing example according to the caption in Osprey’s British Warplanes of World War Two.
“they have an ex skyraider r3320 engine and prop and an a-26 invader colwing for it so im told if they cant get the centaurus going i could be wrong though,any ideas anyone??”
I think the CAA would have a few words to say if anyone decided to try fitting one of those great American brutes in the SeaFury. Americanised SeaFuries have been discussed on the board before (quite some time ago) and the general conclusion was that the CAA would be very unlikely to allow one to fly.
You also have to remember TFC’s commitment to authenticity,I honestly don’t think bunging an American engine in it would meet TFC’s exacting standards of accuracy.
“From memory I believe he ‘defected’ for want of a better word from Usworth (Sunderland) in a fairly unimportant Hurricane I by that stage in the war.”
The Hurri which Preucil nicked was actually an early Mk.II. The new CO of the OTU had only recently arrived from a frontline squadron which had been re equipped with the new version,and had brought his personal Hurricane with him.It seems that Preucil defected when he did because it was one of the few oppertunites when he would’ve managed to get his hands on the CO’s aircraft.You can see the CO’s pennant under the cockpit on the original phot in Aeropl*ne.It seems quite possible that Preucil had direct orders to steal this Hurricane at the first oppertunity.
Great news Strinbag,thanks 😀 She looks gorgeous!
How is the Firefly coming along?Last I heard it was having problems with the prop and so had hardly flown since it’s rebuild. Is she back flying again?
Whilst it’s true that prop torque might be something to do with it,there is also human instinct to consider.Apparently,if you’re right handed,you’re more likely to swivel round to the left than the right if you sense something behind you.This is meant to be a natural defence against attack-your left hand can guard against whatever might be coming at you,and you can hit back with your right.
This is also something that is mentioned in Derek Robinson’s ‘Piece of Cake’,where the squadron photo is ruined by a noise in the hangar behind,with the result that everyone swings thier head round as the photo is taken.All the pilots swivel thier heads to the left-except left-handed Moggy Cattermole,who swivels to the right.Interesting theory,no?
It was at some point officially recommended in RAF training that you broke to the right if you came under attack,as breaking to the left was meant to be the expected direction.
Hmmmmm,interesting results Moggy,I did a google search n’all and came up with absolutely nowt.Searched on a few other search engines too and even they came up with nowt.Ah well,nevermind…:)
Well I’m afraid I can’t tell you much about T2807 specifically,but it appears to be (or have been) a Mk.1C with the windows in the nose.My guess is that some of the damage atleast has been done by the incoming tide,and the photograph was possibly then taken as the tide went down again.Sounds extreme,but I’ve seen other wrecks lying in the surf with similar tidal damage.
I know one or two members of the board have access to books and other sources regarding Bomber Command losses,so perhaps something more specific will turn up in due course.
As for Snapper,he is one of our most respected forum members and is a knowledgable chap really.Think that last post of his might have had something to do with the consumption of a certain volume of alchohol,a substance our Snapper is no stranger to…;)