RE: How old are you?
I’m 22 from London,England 🙂
RE: Some Javelins for Alastair.
>Sqn Ldr G.H.Barton of 228 OCU leading a 4 ship at a very wet
>BofB display, RAF Leuchars, 1966.
Spectacular piccies Kieth!I built an Airfix Javelin not so long ago and I’ve had a soft spot for ’em ever since.What I never realised before was just how darn HUGE the Javelin is-four Javelins must’ve occupied a fair portion of sky!
Interesting to see Barton’s natural metal aircraft.I did a fair old bit of research into the Javelin’s various colour schemes for my Airfix one,but I never came accross this one.Was the aircraft in this scheme specifically for the display?
Keep em coming Kieth,and I look forward to that book you’re producing!
You wouldn’t happen to have anymore Javelin piccies you could post?Pwease?Pwetty pwease?? 🙂
RE: So come on then, Moggy, what do you know about Eminem???????
Congratulations Moggy old chap!It’s good to know you spent the prize money wisely n’all!Unfuriatingly,I only managed to watch the first 10mins or so and then the telly decided to pack up!!Bah humbug! (or words to that effect! lol)
RE: FAAM Wyvern
Evenin Merlin,
In response to your quote about the GeeBee,it should be pointed out that there has never been a UK registered GeeBee.The only ones I know of are registered in the US in the FAA’s Experimental category. Correct me if I’m wrong…
So far as I’m aware,the RR Eagle had quite a few teething troubles that were never fully solved,so I think it would be a bit dicey to operate the FAAM’s machine even if the authorities did give it clearance to fly.I have to admit it would be great to see and hear that 24 cylinder monster bursting into life,but it seems rather unlikely.
Does anybody know of any Wyvern substantial components or sunken wrecks that could be rebuilt into a complete example?The Python powered models were quite different to thier piston powered forebears and I can’t help but feel that there should be atleast one example of these later machines displayed.
RE: A career in historic aviation?
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 21-08-02 AT 06:05 PM (GMT)]Thank you very much for your replies folks,much appreciated 🙂 I very much understand the constraints of geographical location.I live in west London,just a short distance from Heathrow Airport.As you probably know,Heathrow isn’t exactly the hub of the historic aviation scene, and I don’t want to become a run of the mill airline engineer, besides which I’m not sure I’d have the qualifications for it,my GCSE Maths qualifications not being up to scratch (I missed a pass by half a mark-Grrrrrrrhhhhh!)Even if I retook and passed etc etc,it’s still not something I’d want to do as airliners are not really interesting to me,and there’s also the pressure of responsibility for a large number of peoples’ lives (a friend of mine was working on the South Korean Jumbo that crashed near Stanstead a few years ago the day before it crashed.Thankfully it was a frieghter version and it came down in open country,but it could all have been much worse. Although there was no evidence that his work had played any part in the accident,he says he still doesn’t like to think about it.)
Unfortunately,I don’t have a career background in aviation at all.As a matter of fact,I’m not really in anything I could call a career at the moment,which is part of the reason for me posting the queery.I’m currently unattached and don’t have any major financial responsibilities,so money isn’t too much of a concern to me.I’d be happy to sleep on the hangar floor come to think of it! I’ve always been mad keen on classic aircraft and aviation history,and I’m told that my knowledge is pretty exhaustive,so I atleast have that in my favour.What I really need is the practical experience.
With regards to volountary work,I’ve got a membership form somewhere for the Duxford Aviation Society,but the problem is transport. I’m currently a pedestrian,so I’d either have to set off a few days before I intended to be there (!!) or get public transport,which soon eats into your wallet.
Thanks again folks,I’ll keep you posted on developments.I’m sure in true Baldrick fashion I’ll think of some cunning plan in time…
Oh,and Ashley,when someone gets a job at Duxford,they don’t complain about it!! :p :p lol
RE: The Prentice at Shuttleworth
I very much agree with what’s been said in the last couple of posts. As time goes by,these aircraft can only get older-they’ll surelly be considered vintage before too long,if they aren’t already.I think the Collection is doing a good job in the way that it is looking forward to the future.
With regards to the colour scheme on the Glad,I’m personally quite happy with it-to my mind silver is the only colour a Gladiator should be.As for the Faith,Hope & Charity colour scheme idea,I think this would be a great scheme for TFC’s SeaGladiator when she’s done, being as the originals were SeaGladiators. 🙂
While we’re talking about the Shuttleworth Collection,I’ve heard that the Comet racer will only be operated for one year,and then retired for the next decade. 🙁
Does anyone know what the rationale behind this is?That particular year was meant to be this year,so perhaps we won’t get much of a chance to see her before she’s grounded again,being as she hasn’t even flown yet (so far as I know).
RE: Percival Prentice G-APPL
A recent piccy I saw of the Shuttleworth example shows it under very comprehensive restoration.The fuselage has been fully stripped,the wings have been removed,deskinned and are on the workbenches,and the undercarriege is stored in various bits against the wall.Looks like one hell of a job they’ve got there-a few years atleast by the looks.
RE: Shackleton Last Rites
Thanks for the feedback Ashley 🙂 It’s a relief to know that she’s going to be restored and presumably kept indoors in future.As for the Shack,it seems a terrible pity that they can’t restore her.Surely in the long term it would be worthwhile no matter what the effort?? With no others currently undercover,it’s hard to see any of them surviving for too long-the example at Long Marston is said to be in particularly poor shape. 🙁
As for the Victor’s repaint not so long ago,Roger Brooks of the Victor Association tells me that he and a number of other volunteers carried out the repaint under the direction of the IWM,which he was a member of at the time.Apparently it was known that the matt paintwork would deteriorate pretty quickly,but the IWM insisted on it anyway, which seems an odd decision.
Any ideas what sort of paint job the Victor will be finsihed in when she’s done?I know alot of people quite fancy the anti-flash white scheme,but I think I’d probably prefer her to stay in her bomber/tanker configuration,being as she was one of the very few Victors to be converted in this way.
RE: Plea for a victor……
As it happens,I’ve just sent off an email to Roger Brooks of the Victor Association asking whether he knows what the IWM’s plans are. Watch this space…
RE: Aircraft Museums
Regrettably,I’ve never managed to get to Yeovilton myself,but my brother went last year and was gobsmacked.He thoroughly enjoyed himself,even though he isn’t too much of a fan of aviation. The Concorde there is G-BSST, the first UK prototype,and you can have a look round,under and inside the aircraft.
Besides Concorde there’s plenty plenty more to see-I’d suggest setting aside an entire day for your visit.
How about taking some pics for us?? 🙂
RE: BA B747 ‘City of Oxford’
Unfortunatelly I don’t have a scanner so I can’t put the pics into a digital format myself,but I’ll look into various avenues and see what I come up with.
Just as a side note,my sister also lived in the Falklands for a couple of years in the early 90’s.I’ve got pics of snowbound TriStars and VC10’s at Port Stanley,and I’ll try and dig out and scan some of those too.She certainly wasn’t one for average destinations!
Thanks again for all your feedback folks…
RE: BA B747 ‘City of Oxford’
Ty very much guys,much appreciated.Nice to know she’s been roaring over our heads all these years (I live between the approach paths for 27L and 27R at Heathrow) Not sure I think much of her new EAL scheme, the old BA Union Jack scheme is much more my style. Does anyone know if she’s on lease from BA or have EAL taken ownership of her?
RE: HS Trident 3B G-AWZO
Here’s a pic of her in happier times… (Heathrow, 1976)
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RE: Last air battle of WW II
I think it was more a case of actually intending to take on both types for the same role,rather than competition.The Flying Fortress operated alongside the Liberator,and the Mitchell alongside the Marauder etc etc.In a world where today the military procures one type to do as many jobs as possible,the ordering of multiple types for a single role seems a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut,but the combined forces of Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan made for one very tough nut indeed,so a sledgehammer was no bad thing!
RE: Last air battle of WW II
The Convair B32 Dominator was designed as the stablemate of the B29,rather than as a competitor.It was decided even before the two types were in service that the B32 would be used in the European theatre,while the B29’s took on the Japanese.The principal reason for this was that the B32 needed a longer take off and landing run,and it was felt that it would be easier to construct longer runways in the UK than to cram them into Pacific islands.Although the USAAF extended a number of thier runways in the UK in preparation for the B32’s arrival,the development troubles which beset the type meant that none ever arrived in Europe.
With the end of the war in Europe,it was decided to send the first combat ready B32 group to Okinawa,where they flew perhaps half a dozen missions alongside B29’s.
When the european war ended,the Americans had to think about which bases they wanted to keep occupied and which they wanted to vacate.One of the key factors in thier decision making was the runway length of a particular airfield,the USAF needing european runways long enough to cope with thier new generation of strategic and nuclear bombers.Thanks to the runway extensions for the B32,places such as Lakenheath and Alconbury were chosen,and so the B32 had a more far reaching effect in America’s operations in Europe than is often appreciated,even though a B32 never touched European soil.