But now with concurrency, they not only have to pay for it (building more and more flawed jets then keep modifying them etc etc.), but also for keeping the existing fleet for 10 more years! Win-win for the corporate complex …

Well yes, most of the high end weapon systems in today’s China are based or, or have significant russian assistance (not only the examples above, but also things like HQ-9, HQ-16, the future 001A carriers based on Varyag or maybe Ulyanovsk, other naval systems etc etc.), or in some cases ukrainian (Antonov and perhaps PL-10). Yes it’s likely “J-20 and MiG”, there are rumours of such, plus remember that MiGs submition for the PAK-FA contest in 2003 was a refined MFI with side intakes. The WS-15 is said to be based on R-179-300. Won’t be surprised if the models of most recent chinese aircraft were tested at TsAGI. Also, many modern chinese aircraft are powered by russian engines.
So what all this is saying ? Far from the sinophobe propaganda put forward by some russian outlets (with who knows what agenda), it means the relations between the two countries are much closer than visible, to the mutual advantage of both, as it should be. Russian arms industry and state is getting billions in revenue, and China is getting the weapons it needs to defend itself the quickest and safest way possible, while at the same time continuing improving it’s own know-how and being able to “cut corners” with the help of russian (mainly) technology. Any problem with that?

Those figures are way off, i assume the F-22 and F-14 figures might refer to fighter size target detection (perhaps 1 sqm for F-22’s APG-77 and 3 or 5 sqm for F-14’s AWG-9?)

Basic Zaslon has a 200km max range, 120km vs fighter size, track 90km. Improved Zaslon-AM might have a max range of 280 or 320km not sure now. The ill-fated MiG-31M should have had a Zaslon-M with 360km range.

The N-011ME Bars may well have a max range of 350km, but for fighter size is 140km (can’t recall track range, 80 or 100km i think). Perhaps Bars-R (Su-30SM) is improving on those figures.

The N-001E have a max range of 140km, 100km vs fighter, 80 km track. The improved recent variants are seemingly improving those figures, with as high as 150km vs. fighter size quoted for the latest N-001VP series (in Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2)

Then of course you have the N-135 Irbis (i swear i saw this designation recently rather than N-035- am i bonkers here ?), with a max range against fighter size target in a narrow beam of 350-400km. In normal operating mode (volume search or whatever it’s called) should be 200km vs the same.

Actually not sure what are we to discuss here, no disrespect.

Good stuff, thanks. Speaking of carrots…

Nice, where is it from?

Any news about 055, still in ground testing at LII? Thanks.

PS: oh i saw where it’s from.

:love-struck:

Back up now thankfully.
Meanwhile in KnA…
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