Hopefully, it’s PLAN, at least initially! Remember the model with a tailhook? One of the rumour i’ve read was that “the design for the naval shipborne fighter is almost complete”. Unless there’s a THIRD stealth fighter in the works, imo it must refer to a variant of J-31 (or rather J-31H?)
Nope, it ain’t working for me either.
That image appeared back when this Qaher thing was “unveiled” last year, so it’s nothing new.
If i may kindly ask, when time is available perhaps mr. Paralay can do one of his most excellent drawings of the new J-20 bort 2011 with all the new modifications? Thank you. 🙂
I think Web Master should explain us why the PAK FA thread was deleted.
It is unfair to delete the thread without any explanation.
A lot of information and link was lost due to such strange decision.
I think it’ll be better to delete arrogant posts rather than whole thread.
For me, this forum loses credibility by such a strange movement.
I fully agree with that. the topic is not even closed, it disappeared completely, and there’s a lot of good info there. I know the mod job can be a nuisance sometime, but if one want to have a forum such as this, and specially a quality one it comes with the job i guess…that’s how it is everywhere.
Paralay, thanks for another of your great drawings, but if that’s supposed to be 054, aren’t the wingtips going to be slightly different? 🙂
Yes pal, but when it turns it’s IRST forward, the only way to be “betrayed” that way is if the opponent is searching for the T-50 with it’s radar, likely head on (for the IRST position to make a difference) in which case, he’s already toast because of T-50s ALR-94-ski even if not in IRST range yet (unlikely). The chaps at Sukhoi had it all figured out, and in an admirative way. But enough about other aircraft, let’s stick to J-20 developments.
EODAS type features are in the T-50, MiG-35D, and Su-35S. I know there are diagrams of the locations somewhere. I want to say they were in a thread on f-16.net, but google should find them. The F-35 has complete 360° view whereas the Russians settled for less all around aspect.
Imo the coverage on MiG-35, Su-35S and T-50 (and J-20 and why not, J-21) will be no worse than F-35, why should it be, after all the russians and chinese had plenty of time to study F-35, F-22 etc. and how to counter their features best. The russian systems are actually advertised as 360 degrees FOV btw. Remains to be seen if EODAS will prove to be as superior to other similar systems as manufacturer’s PR claims (i don’t see why, and i certainly i don’t see why J-20 and T-50 won’t fit very similarly capable systems by the time they reach IOC later this decade)
Well, i think it’s fairly certain from available images of all J-20 prototypes that the sino-EODAS sensors will be distributed 2 on each side of nose, two more facing backward and forward in that under-fuselage bump which is on the right now (it was on left previously), and possibly one more on the spine (behind canopy?), and MAYBE one on top of the nose in front of canopy like on F-35 (guessing here). The sino-EOTS is under the nose in a faceted nacelle.
As for T-50, it seems the EODAS-ski configuration is not set yet, but the turret behind the cockpit is a DIRCM not IRST, and likely so is the turret under the nose (on 055). Various airframes were fitted with EO sensors on the top of tail sting, under the nose, and on the sides of fuselage behind cockpit. The IRST is on the nose in an aerodynamic fairing, but with treatment applied, if i understand correctly (please someone correct me if i’m wrong), when not in use the sensors are turned backwards, and that backward part is RAM treated- crafty imo.
2002 has both a high bulge on the nose (retractable IRST?) and faceted sensor underbody? Is this perhaps dual use for both a2g and a2a?
There was never mention of a possible IRST installed ON TOP of the nose on either 2001 or 2002, as far as i know. That bulge might be for the sino-EODAS (like on F-35)? Anyway, one rumour i read said that if no more issues are found, then they’ll go ahead with a pre-series batch, based on 2011’s configuration.
Said to be a new Su-35S, not the same 07 from MAKS or Le Bourget:
http://russianplanes.net/images/to128000/127896.jpg
6.3m long is not that big is it ? If the weight and size estimates are on the lower side, not only latest H-6K (and legacy M/H/G and so on) could carry 2-4 or even 6 of these, but perhaps JH-7B can take 2, J-15 at least 1 or even 2 (due to weight), and J-16 no less than 3! (it can carry 3 1500Kg bombs, so if YJ-12 is about there weight wise, i don’t see why not).
Speaking of J-15, imo i think those upgraded AL-31FN series III would find best use first on them, having 2000kgf of extra thrust will significantly increase the allowable payload from Liaoning as well as the safety margins.
Btw i hope JH-7B will turn out at least like rumoured, being able to carry 2 of these, new/upgraded computer, FBW and FCS, IFR probe and improved engines (WS-9A with 15% more thrust), and also a much needed BVR capability (being able to fire PL-12 will significantly complicate matters for an opposing carrier interceptor force)
PS:
as to what Russia is getting out of the J-15?
awnser: absolutly nothing.China has been building unlicenced copies of aircraft for years (J-7 = Mig-21, J-6 = Mig-19, H-6 = Tu-16,….)
if they have 1 aircraft, they will take it appart and reverse engineer it, just like what they did with the Su-33/J-15 and, more recently, the Z-20/S-70 Blackhawk.
Are you so sure about what you’re claiming, how do you know that? First, both Russia and China are well able to take care of themselves and their own interests, and like i said in another topic, the very fact that the extensive cooperation continues to this day only proves that they reached a mutually satisfying agreement in regard to say things like J-11B and J-15. Secondly, i seriously doubt now about the claim that J-11B is an “unlicensed copy” they have bough a licence for 200 Su-27SK (J-11, with russian radar and missiles), of which about 95 were built with increasingly indigenous content, except radar, missiles and engines. I think J-11B can be called a CONTINUATION of that licence, but featuring indigenous radar, missiles and engines (reasonable demand wouldn’t you think, unless China should have be stuck with N-001s in their J-11 forever). So far 120 to 140 J-11B/BS have been built. Things are not that simple, but they are certainly NOT as certain sinophobe propaganda sources state.
Oh and by the way, the list of “unlicenced copies” you put up is strictly speaking completely wrong, China DID have licences from the russians for all those aircraft (look it up), but then the 1961 split and the Cultural Revolution thing came in the way, so the chinese went more or less on their way, but with huge delays. The only designs that were actually copied as far as i know are H-5 (Il-28), JJ-7 (MiG-21U) and J-7-III (MiG-21MF).
So, what are the improvements of the Kfir Block 60 compared to the Kfir-C10 then, does it have an AESA or no, how about weapons and avionics differences? (again i must comment on the poor quality of the promo on the previous page, certain corners were laughing and ridiculing them when the chinese used Top Gun scenes in one of their TV reports, and now IAI Lahav is showing us “MiG-28s” exploding and so on; quite amateurish)
Speaking of which, if FAA is looking at Kfirs, then why not Gripen, new or second hand? Certainly it would be cheaper to run, and can get customized weapon fits for them if they want to (if they want say certain stand-off/ anti-ship weapons).
Very likely imho, despite the propaganda from certain corners (and with a clear objective, to promovate discord and mistrust between the two countries among other things) regarding how the chinese “stole” the Su-27/30/33 etc. and make illegal copies blah blah blah, me i’m sure any related matters have been amiably agreed between the two countries. Interestingly, both J-15 and J-16 are similar to KnAAPO’s Su-33 and Su-30MKK respectively, given the long connection with them, it would be no surprise that cooperation has been steady and mutually beneficial through these years. The recent engine contracts (AL-31FN and improved AL-31FN Srs.3, D-30KP etc.) and potential future further buys, and the negotiations for Su-35 are a testament to that imo.