mack8What’s the problem with the F-22 engines? I think it’s very advanced to be honest, can you explain more?
Thank you,
Imho maybe, despite all the hype around them (yanks “officially ” say they are in the 35,000lb class , but various “informed” individuals on the american fora claim 37,000 or even 39,000lb-which folks also claim incredible things like the F-22 can supercruise at M1.8-M2 or something like that), they are very thirsty, hence the comparatively short range of the F-22.
Also imo , T-50 is “slicker” which also helps with range, i guess.
mack8Is it 100% sure and proven that J-15 has AESA or at least an ESA radar?
IMO in an ideal world it would be fair to compare MiG-29K/KUB with a similarily upgraded Su-33( not vanilla Su-33), ie more powerful engines , similar generation MSA or ESA radar , similar avionics, similar airframe upgrades. If that would be the case, Su-33″M” would be one on one more capable ( more weapons , more range than MiG, probably more radar performance due to nosecone size etc .).
BUT it will be more expensive.
mack8Says on the vid it’s a Su-27UB, and looks like it , can’t see the IFR , it has the raked fin tips etc . What’s their story , are they really new (assumingly stocked airframes and completed now) ? If so wonder what standard are they built to , maybe avionics similar to Su-27SM , maybe even SM3s…
Anyway aren’t the Su-30M2 numbered 10, 20, 30 and 40 ?
Speaking of Sukhoi , whatever happened to the second serial Su-35S , wasn’t it suposed to be flown/delivered by now ? Any info on it ?
mack8Just to keep things up to date
F-35B BF-6 first flight:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2011/111027ae_f35b_stovl-1st_flt.html
…and F-35A AF-13 delivered to Eglin:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2011/111027ae_f35a_ferry-flight.html
F-35B BF-6 is first of the 6 STOVL from LRIP-2 , right ?
mack8The Mig-29KS is just the RuNavy designation i think.. it will get the RD-33MKM engines rated 9.5kgf.
Thanks Haavarla …imho, i don’t see why they can’t throw the AESA in the mix aswell, that should be quite a machine. Of course money is everything.
PS: Oh, sorry for the off topic.
mack8Thanks, but although the Romanian Air Force gets smaller and smaller, pictures of it are by no means rare, so sorry but it doesn’t belong in this thread.
Also, there are photos a lot more dramatic as the one posted above.
Say, these ones: :diablo:
R-73, Magic-2 and i’m sure i’ve seen pics of them with Python-3s aswell. Dunno if this good or bad, maybe bad because they BOUGHT Magic and Python (!?), and good because the Lancer can readily use all these misiles. I’m sure i saw a launch of an R-13M somewhere if i’m not mistaken . Did they launched R-60s aswell? All that is missing is Lancer firing good old R-3S.:D
Painful question is, how many Lancers can still take to the air now ? And for how long? 🙁
mack8Please excuse my ignorance , but what is exactly a MiG-29KS? I don’t remember seeing this designation up to know. What are the differences compared to K/KUB? Thanks.:)
mack8Vrey interesting vid indeed Mauser. At least for me, the interesting bits were the Su-27 LL flat-nozzle testbed footage, and the R-73L aparently in service (i was wondering if it was in service or not, only knew Peru bought some R-73LEs in 1998).:)
PS: Imo the flat nozzle footage in this vid has nothing to do with PAK-FA ( it was tested 20 years ago).
mack8I personally believe that it’s far more logical and probable that LM indeed IS getting away with more fraud than already pointed out (for the simple reason that if that senator is right, they are indeed major fraudulents. What makes you think they would have stopped at the cases already pointed , or that they are not trying to hide it by whatever meens ? Isn’t that logical to assume?), and especially for a corporation this size , back door and mischievous practices are almost 100% sure. Lots of money coming in fuels the thirst for more money, then for more, then for more etc.
I believe it’s more logical to assume the worse, rather than the best in this case. But again, that’s my personal opinion.
BTW i would think it’s the same situation with the other fraudulent contractors.
As a sidenote, just out of curiosity , are the LM bosses/CEO/chairmans etc. multimillionaire /billionaire?
mack8I noticed that while LM had a TOTAL of $61 million over the ten year period, Boeing had $645 million (over 10x that of LM) and Northrop Grumman had $410 million (6.7x that of LM).
LM looks even better once you look at what percentage of total contracts the fines/settlements involves (all figures in millions $USD).
LM had $61 out of $200,000 or 0.0305%
Boeing had $645 out of $21,000 or 3.07%
Northrop Grumman had $410 out of $9,000 or 4.55%Boeing’s & Northrop’s fines/settlements were a whopping 101 & 149 (respectively) times larger than LM’s as a percentage of total contracts.
That being said, there is no excuse for actual fraud and I would like to see ANY company smacked hard when it happens. However, I cannot see LM (with all the oversight involved in the JSF program) doing any actual fraud as there is just too much of a chance of getting caught.
Still trying to make LM look good? 🙂
If all this is true, maybe their frauds seem “lower” because what we’re seeing here is only the tip of the iceberg. Maybe there’s alot more they got away with in the last 10 years. It’s a reasonably logical theory, isn’t it ?
As an exercise, try to see the potential fraud precentage using the NG /Boeing ratios, reported to the £300 something billion LM was awarded …:D
IMO, considering the appaulling pace F-35 went right until 2010, and considering the ever increasing amount of money demanded by LM, again imho, there’s is definitely something fishy…
I’m sure LM ( and obviously the other contractors) regularily ” grease” alot of wheels in the US government, if you know what i meen …
Maybe afterall, the US government should use good old communist practices with the LM leadership and others …” you build good aircraft , on time and on budget , or you go to Siberia! :diablo:”
PS: Oh and remember the F-104.
mack8hey guy relax.. the JH-7 was designed when China’s aerospace industry was comparable to European 1960’s level technology.. think of it this way, JH-7 is basically a larger Mitsubishi F-1/Jaguar, enlarged to do the roles of a Su-24 and F-111, which it does. carries 4 Ashm’s (i’d like you to find a fixed wing combat aircraft that could do more that isn’t a bomber) over a decent range. infact jh-7’s ferry range is 1,000km MORE than Su-24.
limited role yes, but does it well and cheaply…and it surprises me why its NOT popular in the export market. countries like Iran, Algeria, Venezuela could surely use these instead of relying on more expensive Su-30MKK.
Use them for what? Su-30 offers excellent A-A capability (which these countries primarily need) and a very potent A-G capability, just in case. Far better and cheaper than having a dedicated striker and a dedicated interceptor.
Btw i’m only talking about Venezuela and Algeria, Iran doesn’t have any Su-30, of course.
I’m sure JH-7 does it’s service well , but there’s no place for such an aircraft in today’s market.
Only country that would have made sense to have JH-7 is Pakistan (due to their “special relationship”). Dunno if there were any dicussions over this subject, but anyway, i don’t think JH-7 is that cheap anyway, it’s a big heavy twin engine bird.
mack8Right.
I got the latest AI.
Piotr Butowski reported that RSK MIG has ordered a new Klimov RD-33MKM engine that rates 9.5kgf wet thrust.The Indian Mig-29K got the RD-33MK, that’s rated 9kgf wet thrust..
The Indian Mig-29UPG got the RD-33 M3 series.
So the question stands out.. which Mig-29 will get the new Klimov Engine?
The RuNavy Mig-29KS, or the muddy Mig-35:confused:
Did they? Interesting. When was this order made, does it say in the article?
More trust is always good, good for the MiG-35 (weren’t the indians complaining that the engine is not powerful enough during MMRCA?), good for MiG-29K, always better to have more trust over the sea (higher TO weight , higher hot weather/low wind performance etc). Any ideas when it’s suposed to be delivered?
Thanks alot.:)
mack8http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7721/y618dd13c.jpg
Interesting photo, nothing I have seen before.
http://ria.ru/riatv/#tv_defense_safety/458556517
Some decent footage of Mi-28s working the range.
Su-25SM with an interesting payload.
http://russianplanes.net/images/to57000/056463.jpg
Su-35C
Looking at Bender’s pics on RP… wow how did he got those in Akhtyubinsk?!:eek: I thought that base is pretty SECRETNO. Wondering if he’ll have the chance to get some shots of any MiGs down there aswell …( my old fixation, dying to know if 961 and 967 are there or not!)
Anyway, one of the interesting things is 309 …what’s the story of it? I don’t remember that bort, can it be for instance a Su-30SM, or a Su-30SM “demonstrator “? Or maybe indeed, it’s a MKI doing some tests for the Indians benefit, for instance in connection with the Super-30 programme…
Re: Su-25SM, is that a “JDAMski” under it’s wing, right ?
Thanks.:)
mack8The targeted consumer of LM’s info know EXACTLY what it means and how it fits into their purchase plans.
Think of it this way: When you go and buy a car, you look at the window sticker. That is the price for just the car. You use that number to compare it to other cars on the lot, You also use that number to see if the car has gotten cheaper or more expensive vs previous model years. In addition to the sticker price, the customer knows that there are other costs that have to be considered like tax, title fees, insurance, maintenance contracts, roadside assistance, etc. Fighter contracts are even more divers as they can cover training, construction, spare parts, additional development, weapons, etc.
Since each customer’s total acquisition contract will cover much more than just the F-35 and each costumer’s contract can vary a great deal on what it includes then LM is within it’s right to give a price that only includes its portion of those contracts (ie the REC Flyaway). You may not like that , be confused by that, or it may just be that you are a card caring member of the ABJ, but by flatout comparing LM’s $65 to the total acquisition price of Australia’s first 14 F-35s my pointing out your being disingenuous was completely appropriate and spot-on.
Isn’t LM advertising their “cars ” at £65 mil whitout the bloody engine and “government fournished items”? (or more to the point, without saying it’s got no engine and no “items” ?)
mack8Imho, we probably know this already , but anyway the recent info and the way the aircraft seems to be built, and it’s sensors, it’s obvious the primary mission is A-A, strike is a secondary mission ( hence carrying associated equipment in a pod etc ).
Of course, it will be a multirole combat aircraft , but air-to-air is it’s main mission. Details like for instance the location of the KS-O system ( i did not knew until now that it’s a DIRCM type system…are we 100% sure about that ?), and it’s coverage( upper hemisphere, limited to no lower hemisphere coverage- IR SAMs come from the lower hemisphere, A-A IR missiles usually from behind or top), seems to show it’s clear A-A pedigree imho.
Btw, would be interesting to know more about the couple more flameouts mentioned by mr. Butowski.( before MAKS aparently).
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