Well, is this confirmed? I read in another place that the brazilian president allegedly confirmed it, any links, how much it will cost, when will they be delivered etc.
Some numbers. Note: paranthesis numbers refer to totals disclosed under CFE treaty for forces stationed in Europe, not including numbers in the Far East, those being probably included in the estimates (which might not be 100% accurate btw).
Russia VVS/PVO: 250(279) MiG-21, 1100(962) MiG-23, 350(318) MiG-25P/R, 600(291) MiG-27, 800(489) MiG-29, 330(186) MiG-31, 200(309) Su-15, 450(354) Su-17, 650(383) Su-24, 250(192) Su-25, 600(366) Su-27, 80(15) Tu-16, 100(70) Tu-22M, 85(93) Tu-22, 0(80) Tu-128, 150(166) Tu-95, 20(21) Tu-160.
Russia VMF: 15 MiG-25, 30 MiG-27, 50 MiG-29, 50 Su-17, 120 Su-24, 55 Su-25, 12 Su-33, 40 Tu-22, 160 Tu-22M, 100 Tu-95/142, 30 Yak-38
Belarus: 15 MiG-21R, 70 MiG-23, 60 MiG-25P/R, 60 MiG-29, 90 Su-25
Kazakhstan: 31 MiG-23, 13 MiG-25, 42 MiG-27, 14 MiG-29, 32 MiG-31, 38 Su-24
Ukraine: 120 MiG-23, 90 MiG-25, 190 MiG-29, 55 Su-15, 40 Su-17, 250 Su-24, 35 Su-25, 60 Su-27, 30 Tu-22M, 55 Tu-22, 20 Tu-95, 20 Tu-160.
As for other CIS countries, totals are included in Russia’s numbers it seems, as they were still under it’s control at the time. Totals for especially latest fighters like MiG-29 and Su-27 seem too high to me (and would be lower anyway for 1989, perhaps 100 or more of each less, and correspondingly a bit higher for MiG-21, 23 etc?), but there we go.
All of the figures are totals, including combat and non combat variants. Rough overall total is around 14100 tactical aircraft, give or take a few hundred.
I believe that total is way too high, some contemporary (as in early 1990s) figures i saw were listing over 8000 tactical aircraft and over 4000 helos. If i’m not mistaken, in one of the recent CA or AFM magazines a total (aircraft and helos) of 13,000 was mentioned, but need to find those articles again.
Your numbers do not seem to reflect for attrition (have no idea what the figure would be, between 1 and 2% a year or something like that?) and exports, the MiG-23 and 27 numbers f.e. are very close to the totals produced.
Oh, i know what it might help you, i just recalled. I have a wonderful book from 1995 “The naval institute guide to world’s air forces” (or something like that!), and it DOES have in there a by type inventory of VVS/PVO and Army aviation of the time, including the numbers disclosed by Russia under CFE, and the newly independent ex-soviet states are listed there too. By adding those totals, you should get a fairly accurate figure for 1991, which shouldn’t be significantly different from 1989.
Thanks Deino, they’re moving fast. Anything “juicy” to be also seen this year or the next milestone would be the rumoured first flight of J-20 2003 in (hopefully!) january?
Anyway, just to remind myself the milestones this year:
First flight of the Lijian UCAV,
First flights of the Y-20s 20001 and 20002
First flight of the serial J-10B
First flight of the serial JL-15
First serial production J-15 delivered
Flight testing of an unidentified radar (AESA?) on a J-11
Anything important i missed?
Well, very unfortunately the 3203 built at GAZ 30 Znamya Truda are not broken down into subtypes, i have never seen such figures and it will be extremely interesting to see how many export F/P/M etc. series they built. We know the total which is 10,645 (just in USSR) and we know how many twin-seaters (1,661 i think), and we know the breakdown for GAZ 21 Gorky and GAZ 31 Tbilisi, but unfortunately not from the Moscow factory. And if even mr. Andrey Fomin doesn’t have those figures, it’s hard to imagine them being revealed anytime soon, which is a pity.
I seem to recall that from the overall MiG-21 production figure in the USSR of over 10,000 airframes, only 4500 of these were delivered to VVS/PVO, rest being exported and that covering the WHOLE production period for the MiG-21 from 1958 to 1985-1986. One can assume most if not all early generation MiG-21s have been retired by 1989 (especially F and P types), leaving S/SM/R/U and bis types serving mostly with second line or VVAUL units. I doubt there would be more than a thousand something (certainly less than 2000) MiG-21s in USSR in 1989.
For a far more detailed look at MiG-21 production , check this magazine here, page 18. You can also find numbers for all MiGs production. Another issue deals with Sukhoi too i think, can’t recall which one now though.
http://take-off.ru/pdf/12_2009.pdf
PS: Oh, here’s the Sukhoi one, page 24:
http://take-off.ru/pdf/07_2009.pdf
Some recent stuff from LII on this blog here:
http://nickras.livejournal.com/14527.html#
Also at LII, MiG-35 741 with 2 R-27ET and 2 R-73:
053 :love-struck:
If that would be the case, then we should expect spotter pictures of the first Mi-28NEs taken at Rostov-on Don very, very soon (hopefully!). Although it looks like from first flight to the helos arriving in Iraq it takes something like 2 months at least.
Do you have a link to the article in question Sheytan? Thanks.
That would be a bummer then. I knew something in the back of my head about the yanks putting down conditions like T-50 must not compete with F-16 sales or something like that (a FA-50 with 9 hardpoints, an AESA and an F414 will do just that imo).
It’s a good choice, far more capable than L-159 to be honest. If it would feature an AESA and the F414 engine, it won’t be much of a LIFT though isn’t it, but a full fledged multirole fighter. In fact it would have same engine at Gripen NG, and surely that costs a lot more than 45 million. I guess it depends what the IrAF requirements are, obviously light attack role must be one of them. It would be of course deeply ironic if it will actually feature an AESA and the F414 engine, it will be in most respects a more capable aircraft than the F-16s indeed.
However, don’t forget LM has a big stake in this program, and the yanks have the final word, so expect limitations on what can be provided and what not on this aircraft . Since the AMRAAM and AIM-9X was refused to Iraq, even it will have an AESA it likely won’t have BVR missiles, unless they integrate Meteor on it or something! Anyway, the fact that the deal was signed means the americans gave their go ahead, the only question is what configuration will they be exactly.
Does anyone knows what radar the indonesian T-50s have btw?
About time indeed! Would we see the first serial J-16s and (maybe) the enigmatic JH-7Bs soon enough too? Are there any more J-11B/BSs built?
Btw, nice JH-7 article Deino.:)
US Military Official: Iran Moves Fighters Off Disputed Island
What year and what magazine is that Su-25 image from if may i ask Tango III? Thank you.
On another note, something that i just realized recently. The Su-34 does not appear to have a MAWS, even if the much older Su-24M does. Have i missed seeing it, or what’s the story there ? Thanks.
They are certainly this year’s production, probably the first 3 (01, 02, 54) are still all Akhtubinsk. And yes the numbering system is confusing, but i guess that’s the purpose.
Here’s a list with the known finished/delivered SMs to date:
http://aeronews.alle.bg/%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80-%D1%81%D1%83-30%D1%81%D0%BC