??:confused: Irrelevant .

Intervention in Mali is LEGAL .

Cheers .

Don’t kid yourself mate.

to terrorist organizations such as the Hizbullah

One’s terrorists are someone else’s freedom fighters , go figure. When the israelis get out of Palestine and Golan, and get their far right religious extremist colonists out of those lands occupied by military force, and pay compensation to the persecuted populations of those lands, THEN they have the right to talk. Until then, they have no right to even open their mouth.

Il-476 prototype arrived at Zhukovsky

http://take-off.ru/news/124-news01-12-2013/741-476-1-2013

I would be pretty certain that the IL-28REB were long retired by then ( eighties). In fact i think they might have been replaced by Yak-28PP, itself in service from about 1970 i think.

Hm… do you think they would have looked forward to lose at least 1/3 of their available aircraft (assuming competent libyan AD and pilots)? They wouldn’t have moved an inch in such case. Probably still trying to befriend Gaddafi to sell him some stuff.

They weren’t really outnumbered , the ration was closer to 1:1. Somewhere there MUST be some sort of OOB for 1990 of VVS, PVO and NATO air forces opposing each other.

Anyway, if the cold war went hot instead of… slightly colder (but then hotted up rapidly in other places- peace is not an option, no money in it!) in 1990 or 1991, no ill trained, hideously outnumbered, monkey models iraqis or embargoed and even more hideously outnumbered (if valiant) serbs there. Most of the soviet combat technology was roughly on par with US/NATO’s , and in some areas even superior. MiG-29s and Su-27s totting HMS and insanely (for that time) agile missiles, sound BVR tactics and even longer ranged missiles (R-27E on Su-27), all frontline combat aircraft featuring basic chaff& flare dispensers for self defence, many with ECM gear, which would have severely degrades the Pk of the likes of already equalled or even outperformed AIM-9M or AIM-7M (AIM-120 number would have been insignificant at this time), all this would have probably led to something like a FAVOURABLE kill ratio for the soviets, at least in the early part of the war. But then , no matter what happened in the air or on the ground, probably none of us would be here today anyway to say which way it went…

Not sure if this been posted before, the last 5 Hellducks arriving at Voronezh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7BrqAtaDR9o

Hi a89 🙂
That article was from 2009, and at that time Polish Air Force pilots hadn’t got much experience with new F-16s.
But as you notice the MiGs scores some kills against much better equipped F-16.
F-16 pilots admitted that MiGs are still very useful weapon with conjuction with great pilots.
MiG driver said that F-16 is better in BVR, but in WVR they are quite comparable ( F-16 has got new weapons – AIM-9X + JHMCS, but MiG is probably more maneuverable).
In this scenarios we can conclude that newer technology give some advantageous, but didn’t make you untouchable opponent.
Additionaly in many vs many engagement the fights end in WVR – so BFM is still in use 🙂 ( some guys believe that current fight is only BVR).
About R-27R1- our MiGs use some tactics:
one is shooter – fire R-27 – then turn 180 deg
another fly about 8 km behind shooter and provide radar data to R-27.
About MiG-29 radar – I can tell You that the range find in the internet ( around 70-80 km against 3 sq m ) aren’t the same as pilots say. One MiGs pilot declared that he detected denmark F-16AM from over 100km head on.
I think that newer MiG-29K/KUB with new radar and fox3 AAMS is quite comparable to F-16C/D blk 52+ in BVR arena.

Very interesting. So the (old!) MiG-29’s radar can provide target data for an R-27 OUTSIDE the launch range? I assume the target has to still be in the tracking range though, right? Was this tactic used in soviet times, and on other aircraft like Su-27 ? ( MiG-31 is known to use this )