Correct me if i’m wrong , but i’m pretty sure i’ve read somewhere that even MiG-17s had a basic RWR , on the fixed part of the rudder between the mid-placed elevators.

Regarding the yom kippur war, pretty sure the MiG-21s, Su-7s and Su-20s all had Sirena series RWRs. Would be very interesting to see some suport for saying that the likes of MiG-21PF did not have a basic RWR.

Chaff&flares dispensers as we know them today were practically not even invented yet in the 1967 and ’73 wars, and just about to enter wide scale use in the 1982 war.

Chaff on it’s own though (as in strips of aluminium cut to jam different wavelenghts ) were of course in use in one form or the other from WW2. In the Vietnam war Phantoms ( and possibly others too) were carrying chaff pods, in a similar concept to that used in WW2 i.e. flying in front of the main strike , releasing their load to blind the oponent’s radars etc.

There’s refering in some books i have that the israelis received chaff packages among other things during the yom kippur war from the americans, so probably they must have used chaff to at least some extent.

My 2 cents anyway.

Latest from LII.:cool:
MiG-29M2
http://russianplanes.net/id79624
http://russianplanes.net/id79545

Yak-130
http://russianplanes.net/id79622

…and some hellducks too.:p

Su-34
http://russianplanes.net/id79553
http://russianplanes.net/id79556
http://russianplanes.net/id79628

That’s definitely NOT 1934. That’s an E subtype ( seems to have cannons in the wings too), which wasn’t serie produced until the end of 1938, while the canon variant started being produced in 1939.

Berkut, you’re a star.:D

Now looking at the other 3 pictures , i can’t really make the bort , my eyes are either telling me “053” or even something ending in “1” on another pic. Could it have been PS-ed out before posting ( just like the first grey Su-34s)?

Mr. Djcross’s distasteful comments would be much more welcomed on places like mp.net or f16.net, perhaps he should just go there. 😡

I’ll just say that imho, i would give more credibility to what russian sources say about the RuAF organization and aircraft numbers, rather than western ones.
Not that the western articles reffered to here are not useful , it’s just the russian folks should know even better what’s what. Just my 2 cents.:)

тактическая авиация имеет 74 эскадрильи(37 истребительных(7 на МиГ-29, 1 на МиГ-29С, 2 на МиГ-29СМТ, 12 на МиГ-31, 11 на Су-27, 4 на Су-27СМ)

Фронтовая(тактическая)авиация:
МиГ-25 – 6(в т.ч. 4 МиГ-25РБ, 2 МиГ-25РУ)
МиГ-29 – 255(в т.ч. 153 МиГ-29(9-13), 14 МиГ-29С, 30 МиГ-29СМТ, 52 МиГ-29УБ, 6 МиГ-29УБТ)
МиГ-31 – 158(в т.ч. 156 МиГ-31(Б,БС), 2 МиГ-31БМ)
Су-24 – 323(в т.ч. 24 Су-24, 160 Су-24М, 28 Су-24М2, 110 Су-24МР, 1 Су-24МП)
Су-25 – 224(160 Су-25, 29 Су-25СМ, 1 Су-25Т, 33 Су-25УБ, 1 Су-25УБМ)
Су-27 – 271(в т.ч. 159 Су-27(П,С), 55 Су-27СМ, 57 Су-27УБ)
Су-34 – 5

TR1, you wouldn’t happen to have similar numbers for bombers , trainers , transports and helicopters ?:eek: Thanks.