Stealth “edges”, along RAM and overall shaping affect AESA radars just like MSA dishes. Need proof, look at the record of F-22s bagging F-18E/Fs which have a MUCH better AESA than the J-10.

The radar unit that picked up the F-117 was not jammed because of poor planning on the USAF part and good tactics on the ADA’s part. The USAF were flying the SAME ingress routes night after night without much divination. This allowed the ADA to setup a trap for the inbound F-117s (there were 4 in that package). They had observers watching the airport and positioned along the ingress route. They called into the ADA HQ as they visually tracked the F-117 while it flew in-country. When the package was close enough, the ADA turned on the radar and waited for the F-117s to fall into the trap. Since the F-117s did not have a RWR they did no know that the radar was searching for them. Finally, one was detected at about 20km, IIRC, and was shot at. The other F-117s in the package were not intercepted (so much for long range detection by old radar).

To make a long story short, the F-117 was basically flying blind (unable to detect radar or missile launch), into a trap of its own making, and had no way to defend itself.

The F-35, OTOH, will have better planning, will not be flying blind, and will be able to defend itself if & when it is ever engaged.

You meen the F-117s never had something as basic as a RWR ? I find that very hard to believe, especially in an aircraft that is suposed to evade radar …

I’d like to know Ajai Shukla’s views on the signing of that Indo-French de-facto M-88X joint development and manufacture, due in summer. An engine which will be destined for not only IAF Rafales but also AMCA (i.e. a major headache for the Indians- solved).

The IAF Rafales ( if everything goes forward , of course) will have a new engine?

Thanks.

RIP to the Ka-52 pilots. I just realized with the turkish crash aswell, that today is the 13th…

Seems 52 flew today:
http://russianplanes.net/ID69647

MiG-29K 941. Where is it going on a Sunday?:eek: (ferry configuration, 3 tanks)
http://russianplanes.net/ID69578

Screenshot of a Tomcat with Phoenix and HAWKs.

As already noted, Jews were living in that area for few centuries, that shows that they were generally tolerated. If the main intent of Iraq/Syria/Jordan/Egypt was pure racial hatred, they would have started clashes much earlier. But that wasn’t until the Jews established their own state, much to the disliking of all Arabs in the area.

My understanding was that there were severe turbulence in the region between jews and arabs well before the 1948 war , including attacks against the british authority (i’m only refering to th period after WW2, between 1945 and 48) . Something like at least 400 british troops ( maybe including civil servants aswell , i don’t know ) were killed , but it’s unclear to me if this figure refers only to the jewish attacks, or in total ( including arab attacks?). Obvioulsy the things were very ugly between jews and arabs.

There was massive influx of jewish immigrants in the then Palestine after the war, a trend which aparently started in the 19th century (as in jewish imigration , i got some figures in a book saying something like the jewish ethnics number grew from 25,000 to several hundreds of thousands , presumably before the massive influx after WW2.)

Btw , the jewish community there had several organization in those times that could be classified as “terrorist” today , aparently not unlike Hezbollah or Hamas etc . ( or at least, similar organizations to how these two are portrayed in the media ). There was even a famous israeli statesman who led one of these “terrorist” organizations who went to become either prime minister or president or something like that (Ariel Sharon, or Ytzak Rabin, i can’t recall).

So for the israelis to plant all the blame squarely on the arab’s shoulders is thick at least, and same could be said about the other way around of course. It takes two to tango.

But like i said before, the fact that some regertable things happened in the past does not meen that they should be allowed to happen again. It is not fair nor moral to allow the palestinians to become another “native-american” story, for instance. The ocupation of Palestine ( and Golan) today has nothing to do with survival of Israel or anything like that. Just ideological, religious and political interests. The moderate opinion regarding Israel never asked and will never ask for “the destruction of Israel omg!!!!!111!!!” or any of that rubbish the far-right israelis and some jewish folks keep yelling about. Getting back to the june 4th 1967 borders i think is the most reasonable solution. But yes , tell that to individuals like Lieberman and his lot , or those orthodox nutters over there.

Btw, regarding me using the story of the native -americans as “tool” or whatever , well the aforementioned israelis and jews use the story of the Holocaust for far more mischievous purposes every day . Using the story of horrible suffering and death of at least 6 millions (and millions more suffering) as an excuse/justification/argument for causing almost as much suffering to several more millions of non-jews.:mad:

Not EVER going to happen. Why? The arabs dont want to live in peace with Israel. They want them gone (perferably dead). They have since 48. If you cant see that, it must be antisemitism.

Talk about narrow views. You have no idea how unbelievably obtuse your ( as in your current of opinion group) views look to someone who tries to look at this whole issue from the outside. As i said, it’s very sad.
Like i said n times before , anyone who criticizes Israel is of course an “antisemite” huh. Well, whatever makes you happy mate.