Just to remind ourselves what this topic is about, after this long diversion a la righwingmilitaryphotos.net.:mad:

The ever war-loving yanks and the israelis claim that iranians want to build a nuclear bomb and they yell high and low about bombing them. Especially the israelis are desperately vociferous.

Most folks here see the utter hypocrisy of especially the israelis, who are pretty much aknowledged (even if they did not formally admitted) , to have obtained nuclear weapons thru clandestine means as far back as before 1973 , numbering as high as 300 warheads by now ( by some sources), and aimed at the neighbouring countries (what else they would aim them at ?)

Most folks with the head on their shoulders are for either BOTH or NONE in respect to nuclear weapons( of course, i would prefer none , but that’s just me ). Balanced views and morals have unfortunately nothing to do with ideological , political , racial and other types of interests , who are afterall at the root of the israeli/american rhetoric and war threats about an iranian nuke. But those objectives DOES NOT give the americans or the israelis any moral high ground, despite ferocious propaganda to the contrary.

The long threatened bombings seem to have a high probability now, probably irrespective of what the iranians will do (remember Iraq?). So as a question, what realistic chance the iranians actually have to opose such an attack given that their air defence and especially interceptors are in a very bad state, considering the threat. Of course i’m asuming only a limited attack or several attacks by the israelis, not a full scare war , it’s obvious that, like Syria they can’t stand a chance, against the americans especially .

I was reading in a magazine recently that the MirageF1EQs from Iraq were mostly flown for airshows. As much as the various claims one can see about iranian “self-sufficiency”, 5 twin tailed F-5s and some old (really old) other aircraft flown who knows at what rate can’t be of much help against an oponent like IAF ( let alone USAF/USN etc.). The fault for this obviously lays with the totally militarily incompetent iranian leadership , who pretty much managed to leave their own country almost defenceless, conventionally speaking.

AFAIK , it would have been nice (even if only from an aviation enthusiast’s perspective ) to have that M-ATF/Vityaz become reality , or at least a proper “twin-tail” F-5 upgrade, and proper upgrades for the F-14 and F-4s, or some Su-30s etc .for the IRIAF.

Oh and some scary S-300s too.:rolleyes:

I think this topic once again is a window into posters’ souls. The attitudes and language on display say far more about how individuals feel about Israel than anything else. It really doesn’t matter what the subject is, there is a group of folks who get all slathered up just at the mention of the Zionist entity.

Hmm, i thought you wanted to talk about airplanes?

You see, you backed yourself into the corner of the ” omg they criticize Israel!!!!1111!!! then they can only be a bunch of “anti-juice” who deny the Holocaust and want to demonize/delegitimize/destroy Israel!!!!Israel strong !!! etc etc ” crowd.

Did you ever considered that the strong criticism of many of Israel’s (or even towards your own country’s , for that matter) actions in the ME by educated, realist and well-read peoples ( no i’m not including myself there btw) might actually be justified , maybe the israelis ARE acting in hypocrite/outrageous ways (for political, ideological or other reasons), maybe they DO NOT have any high ground to stand on in many situations, maybe these peoples HAVE valid points to criticize the israelis on, and not that those peoples can only be and are without exception “da evil anti-juice”?

Did you ever considered that posibility ?

Think the posters above summed it up pretty well. It’s either you bomb BOTH Dimona and Bushehr, or shove it.

Oh and like any other nuclear weapons state , an iranian nuke will be primarily a deterent against the americans and the israelis etc. Even those incompetents that run that country will not think to use it first, because they face obliteration. I believe they will not do that.

Obviously now it’s just very tempting to go on about why i think the israelis don’t want an iranian (or other ME for that matter) nuke but that would be even more grossly offtopic.

Speaking of an israeli attack, i just found out to my stupefaction recently that Iraq has absolutely no air defence whatsoever. I meen nothing , no radars , no missiles , let alone interceptors, nothing . At least for the time being that would be a very tempting route for the israelis, isn’t it ? Wonder what the jordanians will do in such a case (an overfly i meen).

Japan already works on ducted-rocket missile. It will be AAM-4C or AAM-6.
http://twitpic.com/7cozx8/full

Bloody hell they’ve even test fired prototypes/demonstrators!:eek:

One thing the japanese have imo, is a huuuuge potential. Just imagine what they can do if unleashed. They can be at least in the same ballpark with the americans , russians and chinese in the near future etc.

Speaking of what UK and Japan can provide to eachother , how about some F-3s/F-3 joint developements for RAF sometime in the twenties? Typhoons won’t last forever. Just a thought.

He had a picture of an Israeli nuclear weapon?

Show it to us, please.

If you cannot, then please provide the ‘proof’ of the existence of Israeli nuclear weapons that these ‘nuclear experts checked out’.

Mr. Alfakilo, your tactics remind me of those on the good ol’ rightwingmilitaryphotos.net, which is regretable. Regarding your previous reply ,what you want me to go Dimona or wherever they have their nukes and pick up a warhead and put it in your lap as “proof”? This only a diverting/delaying tactic from the real issue. I have another idea , why don’t YOU go and ask them if they have nuke weapons and to show them to you, since you ( the americans ) and the israelis are such good friends. :rolleyes:

Oh and sorry sir, but you cannot dictate me to “keep my thoughts for myself” because you don’t like them .:mad: That is incredibly selfish, and again quite dissapointing.

Yes, i will always OPOSE an attack by Israel or the americans against the Iranian nuclear programme, as long as the israelis have their alleged as much as 300 warheads aimed at the neighbouring countries, and possibly even further. As long as the israelis and the americans keep bragging about not allowing Iran to have nuclear wepons, and threatening them every day with bombing, and carrying assasinations and sabotages , while at the same time not a single word about the israelis being demanded to obey a nuclear free zone, elimination of their nuclear weapons and full IAEA acces to their nuclear programme, i can only call them hipocrytes. (I wont even go in the small detail-which is pretty much at the base of all this issue- of the israelis having had territories occupied by force that are not theirs for the last at least 40 years , as it does not belong here)

At least, their one time “friends into apartheid” , the south-africans are to be respected for actually scraping their nuclear programme and work to resolve their issues in a peaceful way.

Tell you what. When the israelis would have handed over their last nuclear warheads to an international body for disposal, and when the Dimona reactor and their nuclear programme will be fully monitored, by the book by IAEA, and they will adhere to all the international non-proliferation treaties and abide by them, THEN these various american led and /or israeli warmongers can go and ask to “flatten” Iran, if they do not do exactly the same, and exactly as requested by IAEA and international community.

But until then these warmonger should just ST… 😡

Iran has all the right to develop nuclear wepons if they want to, as long as the israelis and the americans have theirs pointed at Tehran, and threatening them every day … What i’m sorry for them is that they have a totally worthless and useless leadership when it comes to actually defending their country , who have absolutely no idea how to care for, equip and train their military. They done a great job at isolating Iran, while their military is a complete mess. (no proper aircraft , no proper air defense, no coverage…half a dousin twin tailed F-5 won’t get them anywhere…)

Iran will be better off without those mullahs. I hope they realize that until it’s too late and they will become a second Iraq or Afghanistan or Lybia.

Probably because it’s not enough clearance under it to put a hardpoint( however shallow) and a pod ?

Pretty bird.
http://russianplanes.net/ID68359
http://russianplanes.net/ID68368