Hi
Awsome, the photos tie up exactly with the drawings I have found.
Many thanks
Jerry
Hi
Awsome, the photos tie up exactly with the drawings I have found.
Many thanks
Jerry
On going through the Westland Archives we have found a lot of information and photographs.
To start with the first aircraft was originally engineered and fitted with Kestrels until the Peregrines arrived.
Petter then spent an awful lot of time redesigning the cowls and nacelles and one aircraft flew with this new configuration.The aircraft was sent to Rolls Royce and spent a good while with them including having the Merlin installations.
There are records and letters in existence supporting this from the archives also
documented information confirming that Rolls Royce would no longer support the peregrine and also that as they where fully committed on Merlin production to other manufacturers they did not have spare capacity to produce Merlin’s for the Whirlwind even though trials had been favorable.The first aircraft also had an alternate design with twin tail similar in appearance to the HE162.
Another fact people have asked why the Whirlwind did not participate in the B of B there are also letters between the powers at be stating that the Whirlwind force would be held back and it would be the focus of an anti invasion strike against the feared German invasion on our beaches.
Further information is available on our web site.
Mike E
Hi Mike,
Great Stuff, go to see the info is turning up at westlands, maybe someone will do a re write of the whirlwind history soon with all the new info.
cheers
Jerry
Hi
The few references I found about the merlin whirlwind over the years
NA/PRO kew
Jan 41 in a letter to Sholto Douglas
by Eric Mensforth Managing Director. Westlands.
……. We are now able, because of the solution of certain undercarriage retraction problems, to offer to install in the whirlwind twin merlin XX engines …..
Below is a link to website with a post from Walter McGowan who worked in the design department on the merlin whirlwind project.
http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/west_whirlwind.php
quote
“Later I was promoted to the design department and worked on the installation of 2 Merlin in the production version.
This was not to order yet, so the funding was Westlands.”
I e mailed the guy and I got a very speedy reply from walter who worked in the design department at westland on the merlin whirlwind.
He recalls that the whirlwind merlin nacelle shape changed very little from that of the whirlwind peregrine nacelle and that extra fuel capacity was fitted, also some changes were made to compensate for the change in CofG.
Cheers
Jerry
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the reply, I though I would post the question here for the wider ‘catchment area’
I always thought the american engine was only a paper suggestion as the only reference I found was in the PRO/NA at Kew.
Nice to see info finally emerging on the merlin whirlwind.:)
cheers
Jerry
Hi
Thanks, I had an airfix sunderland for xmas, so saved the film for future reference
cheers
Jerry
Hi
Great link, on our visit to abbotsford 2010,we all paid for the lanc walk thro’ it was great.
cheers
Jerry
Hi,
Yeah, I have seen nothing else, apart from this that suggests it was other than a proposal.
Previously I had only seen it suggested as a peregrine replacement when the peregrine production was stopped.
Possibly a US engine as they did not want to impose on UK production, also westland had US engine experience with the P-36,
P-40 assembly/prep for service.
cheers
Jerry
Hi,
they have four flying here in BC, but have unfortunately lost two since I have been here.
But they may have technical info that might help.
cheers
Jerry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coastal_Airlines
On August 3, 2008, a Grumman Goose aircraft with seven passengers and crew crashed during a flight from Port Hardy to Chamiss Bay. The aircraft was completely destroyed by a fire. There were only two survivors.
On November 16, 2008 a Grumman Goose aircraft with 8 passengers and crew crashed during a flight from Vancouver International Airport to Toba Inlet, BC. The plane exploded into a mass of burning wreckage according to the lone survivor. This person was rescued up by the Coast Guard on South Thormanby Island off British Columbia’s Sunshine Coast
Hi
Great news to see it all worked out, I hope all goes well.
cheers
Jerry
Hope no one’s trying to flog it on ebay as their own… I think it comes from this source
http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/2179070073/
It’s been discussed before: but there’s some truly amazing photographs in it from the 30’s and 40’s, aviation related and otherwise.
(….best not look unless you’ve the whole day free though…..)
Hi,
probably copyright expired and in public domain, so doubt anything would happen to them
cheers
Jerry
is anything happening with the stored Sea Harriers or have they perished?
Hi
They would look nice on the new chinese aircraft carrier,maybe they might buy a few.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/316224
cheers
Jerry
…. Padstow Lifeboat. …..
Baz
Padstow still has a lifeboat, then the UK can’t be in as bad a way as they say..
second thoughts, they could paint the phantom in another air forces colours, more politically correct, eh.
cheers
Jerry
Hi
Awesome film, always remember the F-14’s shooting down the zero’s, the original ‘ what if ‘ .
fox one….splash one… ( or something similar )
cheers
jerry
Fascinating stuff, James, and in this age of instant communication makes it seem almost impossible that the US was still taken by surprise five hours later.
Adrian
Hi
There are some theories they knew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmmsUStZhvs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
Possibly it was like the blitz on coventry, it was known previously about it but what could be done, if you haven’t got the ability to deal with it, and without giving away the fact you know it will happen.
cheers
Jerry