No IIRC there is no LCA block 2 planned, but the Naval prorotype itself has design changes.
I would simply wait till it reaches IOC before thinking of any block 2, ๐
everything else will be speculation.
Is it for a missile seeker?
I have no idea; I think i have posted this before in , you might havent checked it as per my conversation with the ast guys they told me K/Ku band is under developement or something and is being delivered (i dont exactly remember); will check their cd tonight.
isro already uses K/Ku band Transponders :diablo: think what can be K/Ku band TR modules can be used for :dev2:
IIRC J band TR modules has been developed by DRDO as well for Seeker recently posted. (which seeker will be J band?)
Infact Nick there are some very nice brochures here; guys interested can take a look.
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/v/Users/Arun_S/Brochures/
Some Pictures of the radars already developed including the WLR and under service are displayed though some brochures are not there.
There are many other AESA Tx/Rx modules from VHF ones to X Band.
Your forgetting the K/Ku band from astra..:diablo:
^^ This pic came with above report i guess.

AIRCHIEF PRINT EMAIL
IAF should transform into an aerospace force: Major
NEW DELHI, MAR 31 (PTI)
Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major today became the first helicopter pilot to don the mantle of Chief of the Air Staff after which he said his thrust would be on shoring up the falling fighter strength of the country and pushing (MORE)
up the pace of modernisation in the force.
In this context, the international tenders for purchase of 126 Medium Range Combat aircraft would be “out soon”, he said.
Taking over the reins of the Air Force from Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi, who retired today after 43 years of illustrious service, Major in his opening message to air warriors asked them to work towards transforming the IAF into an “aerospace force”.
“It is only through the employment of space based application that we can be more effective beyond our shores” Major said in his ‘order of the day’.
“Hardware may give us the capabilities, but it is the man behind the machine that can give us the winning edge,” he said.
A crack chopper pilot with the distinction of having logged 7,765 flying hours, Major has commanded helicopter units both in world’s highest battlefield Siachen and IPKF operations in Sri Lanka for which he won a Vayu Seve Medal (Gallantry).
Major’s hour of glory came on October 14,1992, when he undertook a dare-devil rescue act by winching up 11 tourists stranded in a disabled cable car at tourist resort of Timber Trail near Parwanoo in Himachal Pradesh.
For this valiant feat, Major was decorated with Shaurya Chakra. During his long service spanning over 39 years, he has held a number of key command, staff and instructional appointments.
He is the first helicopter pilot to rise to head the Indian Air Force. Previously, all the Chiefs have been fighter pilots. Major was the senior most Air Marshal and was a course ahead of three other Air Marshals bidding for the post.
The new chief in his message also told the air warriors that “It must be remembered that in our march of progress, we must remain in line with national goals and in concert with other services.”
The foremost task before the new Chief would be procurement of hi-tech new fighters to shore up the IAF dwindling squadron strength. According to official estimates, IAF’s squadron strength would have plunged to an all time low of 28 squadrons by 2008, far down from its sanctioned strength of 45 squadrons.
This aspect was touched upon by the outgoing Air Chief Tyagi who said that IAF would have to take steps to see that the force received its new fighters at the earliest.
IAF has been in the process of phasing out its ageing Mig range of fighters including Mig-21 and Mig-23, but the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft, which was to be their replacement is heavily behind schedule, forcing the Government to go in for purchase of 126 top of the shelf fighters.
As part of new measures to conserve air power, IAF has recently concluded a deal with Russian United Aircraft Corporation for upgradation of its fleet of frontline Mig-29 fighters to raise their operation ceiling by another 25 years.
A similar 1.5 Billion Euro deal is also near finalisation to upgrade the IAF 48 Mirage 2000 fighters. The force is also in the process of Inducting new Helicopter gunships, specially those which can be used in high altitude and acquiring airborne radars platforms.
A fellow of National Defence College and the Army War college, Mhow, Major has attended a number of specialised courses including Junio commanders course, Jungle and snow survival course and also the higher command course.
As Deputy Chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, Major had the distinction of overseeing tri-service tsunami relief operations.
Before being named the New Chief of Air Staff, Major was Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief Easter Air Command at Shillong.
He is also a recipient of Param Vishist Seva Medal in 2006 and Ati Vishist Seva Medal in 2002.
SLAF headquarters and its air base in Vavuniya began tracking the fleeing Air Tiger aircraft. The SLAF scoured into the sky a Chinese built K-8 jet trainer, which has night flying capability, to intercept them. But it was more than 20 minutes later. Both SLAF headquarters and its base in Vavuniya found much to their chagrin that the two aircraft had gone off the radar screens somewhere in the skies above Mannar. The K-8 had to be ordered to return to base. The use of Kfirs or the recently acquired MiG 27s to intercept the two light aircraft was not possible due to a number of important reasons. Despite the very heavy investment of public funds, they lacked some features. For obvious reasons they cannot be spelt out.
This is about the ATC radars, the Indira II radars on its first place was turn off to even start tracking.
The radar was repeatedly down for repairs.
WRONG AGAIN! Read the report, the radar was up before but wasnt turned on.
Repeating the newspapers’ account that it’s a bad piece of equipment is a “flame”?
Yes! It is a flame, there are two kind of reports, picking one just so that it suits your agenda is flame without confirmation.
The only reason that the radar is in question is because it didn’t detect the an air strike by a couple of civilian prop planes.
More ignorance?
I hope you can read English!
The intrusion of the Tiger Air Wing light aircraft was made possible because the Indian built air defence radar was not operational. Technicians had sought and obtained permission from the SLAF Directorate of Operations for it to be shut down from March 19 to 23 for servicing and repairs. Thereafter they had sought an extension of two days that was to end on Sunday March 25. Ironically, The Sunday Times learnt that the servicing had been completed by last Sunday evening. It was operational. However, for some unknown reason it had not been switched on. Did information of such a shutdown reach the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)? Did that pave the way for the surprise attack?
If it were working properly and online then it would not have been mentioned.
When it was NOT online in first case what makes you doubt its working capability when it is installed all over India and operating detectinmg blah blah blah…
Very nice details in Srilankan sunday times..
Air Tiger thunderbolt jolts nation
Explosive inside stories of midnight attack on the SLAF main base
Not so modern Indian radars were repaired by Sunday but not switched on
Vavuniya STF gave the alert, but SLAF thought it was a Silk Air flight
By Iqbal AthasThe unidentified pilot of the Zlin Z-143 aircraft that carried out the bomb attack on the Air Force base in Katunayake. He poses with LTTE leader Velupillai Prabhakaran.
The locally made 25 kilogramme bomb containing C-4 explosives and razor balls.
The pilot and co-pilot boarding the Czech built Zlin Z-143 light aircraft.
It was close upon midnight last Sunday when commandos on duty at the Police Special Task Force (STF) detachment in Ganeshapuram, between Vavuniya and Mannar, heard the roar of engines overhead. Though visibility was restricted, they figured out that the noise came from two low flying aircraft with no lights. This aroused suspicion.
Chief Inspector Channa Sirimanne, Officer-in-Charge, promptly telephoned the Sri Lanka Air Force base in Vavuniya to give them the news. His telephone call was connected to the Operations Room of SLAF headquarters in Colombo. CI Sirimanne repeated the details. He also alerted the STF Headquarters in Colombo. He was to later record the encounter in the Information Book at the detachment. So did his colleague Chief Inspector Upul Jayawardena, who was also a witness.
SLAF bases in Anuradhapura and Vavuniya went into action. They switched off all lights. So did the Army installations and the Police in Vavuniya. The only exceptions were lights inside the buildings. Additional sentries were moved into guard the outer perimeter and vital points. In Colombo, checks were being made whether any international flights were operating at that time over Wanni skies. It turned out there was one. It was a flight from Silk Air, a subsidiary of Singapore Airlines. This lulled them into believing there were no threats. They were thus unaware that Tiger guerrillas were only minutes away from a deadly mission.
Some 45 minutes ticked by. At 12.45 am, after Monday had dawned, three loud explosions rocked the SLAF’s main base at Katunayake. This base is separated from the Bandaranaike International Airport (BIA) only by the runway, used both by military and civilian aircraft. The blasts were heard several kilometers away. In Nugegoda and Mirihana, south of the City, police officers said they heard the explosion. So did residents in Katana, Dankotuwa, Kimbulapitiya and other outlying areas of the BIA. Telephones began to ring and news spread that the air base was under Tiger guerrilla attack. Yet, no one knew how exactly it came about. Some wondered whether a mortar attack was under way. Others thought Tiger guerrillas had infiltrated the air base for a second time. The first was in July 2001.
At the Operations Room of the SLAF headquarters in Colombo, they were trying to piece together a correct picture of what had gone wrong. Air Traffic controllers at the BIA were told to divert all inbound aircraft to other airports in the region. Some were told to proceed to Trivandrum, others to Chennai, and yet others to Male in the Maldives. Colombo flights that had not taken off from foreign capitals were told to stay on ground. At the BIA, passengers were checking in for outbound flights. In fact some of them had boarded Singapore Airlines flight SQ 469, a Boeing 777 due to depart for Singapore 1.10 a.m.. They were told to hurriedly disembark. Passengers were only aware the airbase was under attack but did not know how.
There was panic inside a Cathay Pacific aircraft due to depart to Hong Kong. Crew had seen the sporadic illumination of the night sky. They heard rapid bursts of gunfire. Commandos, Air Force officials said, moved in to evacuate them and assure that the airport was not under attack. Security Forces and Police sealed off the airport preventing those inside from leaving. Similarly, no one was allowed entry until a thorough search was carried out. That took over two hours.
At the SLAF airbase in Katunayake, it became clear there was no guerrilla intrusion through the ground. Some airmen at the Air Defence facility had heard the noise of an aircraft just overhead. Much later, they heard reports of another light aircraft hovering around some three kilometres away. A Corporal began pouring anti aircraft gunfire into the sky. They were unable to see the aircraft overhead due to darkness. There was no night target acquisition capability either. The gunfire was to give rise to rumours, spread through the telephone that gun battles had begun at the BIA. Before long, the noise of the aircraft engine faded away.
The destruction left behind became clear. Three bombs had exploded at the zinc sheet covered building that housed the Aeronautical Engineering Wing. The roof and the walls had crumbled. Nearby, airmen, all members of the Air and Sea Rescue team, were sleeping. They were on call any time of the day or night when there is an emergency rescue mission. Three died and 16 were injured. Air Force officials said helicopters in the adjoining Four Squadron suffered slight damage. The shattering effect of the bombs had led to glass windows breaking. At least five such helicopters were later repaired. They insist there was no damage to any fixed wing aircraft.
The Air Tiger bombs were clearly meant for the Kfir and MiG 27 squadrons that lay not far away from where the bombs fell. Through bombing raids, the guerrillas had wanted to retaliate for the string of air raids conducted by the Air Force both in the North and the East. If guerrilla efforts to procure state-of-the-art Surface to Air Missiles from the United States ended up in a fiasco due to a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) sting, the LTTE had now demonstrated their air strike capability as some measure to counter the threat. However, the aircraft failed to drop the bombs in the hangars where the fighter jets lay parked.
If it were to fall there, it could have caused unimaginable mayhem and destruction. Some of the fighter jets remained armed with 250 kilogramme bombs and the attack could have triggered off massive secondary explosions. Some Air Force officials believe the pilot of the guerrilla aircraft may have been disoriented after he was unable to locate the hangars. As a standard operational procedure, lights in the fighter bomber hangars are switched off at night.
The intrusion of the Tiger Air Wing light aircraft was made possible because the Indian built air defence radar was not operational. Technicians had sought and obtained permission from the SLAF Directorate of Operations for it to be shut down from March 19 to 23 for servicing and repairs. Thereafter they had sought an extension of two days that was to end on Sunday March 25. Ironically, The Sunday Times learnt that the servicing had been completed by last Sunday evening. It was operational. However, for some unknown reason it had not been switched on. Did information of such a shutdown reach the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)? Did that pave the way for the surprise attack?
Answers to these and a number of other questions are being sought by an investigation that is being conducted by the Criminal Investigation Department (CID). Among other aspects being probed by a team led by Mahes Perera, Senior Superintendent of Police, is whether there was any lapses by any party that led to Monday’s attack. On Friday detectives recorded the statements of Chief Inspectors Channa Sirimanne and Upul Jayawardena of the STF.
Confirmation that the two light aircraft of the Air Tiger Wing were used in the attack came from Air Traffic Controllers at Bandaranaike International Airport. They had spotted on their radar two unidentified aircraft. By then, they were heading in a northwesterly direction towards Wanni. Air Force officials believe the two light aircraft took off from an unknown location in the Wanni and veered westwards past Ganeshapuram. Thereafter, they flew southwards along the coast astride the Wilpattu National Park to veer left towards the SLAF airbase. They had taken the same route to return though not over Ganeshapuram.
SLAF headquarters and its air base in Vavuniya began tracking the fleeing Air Tiger aircraft. The SLAF scoured into the sky a Chinese built K-8 jet trainer, which has night flying capability, to intercept them. But it was more than 20 minutes later. Both SLAF headquarters and its base in Vavuniya found much to their chagrin that the two aircraft had gone off the radar screens somewhere in the skies above Mannar. The K-8 had to be ordered to return to base. The use of Kfirs or the recently acquired MiG 27s to intercept the two light aircraft was not possible due to a number of important reasons. Despite the very heavy investment of public funds, they lacked some features. For obvious reasons they cannot be spelt out.
Later, after sunrise on Monday morning, Kfir jets pounded several areas near Mannar and north of it. This is on the basis of suspicion that the light aircraft landed somewhere in that general area. Air Force officials estimate that the two way journey for the Zlin Z-143 aircraft would have taken not more than 90 minutes. That is with each journey lasting only 45 minutes.
Though the LTTE had constructed a 1.2 kilometre runway in Iranamadu, capable of even landing a C-130 Hercules transport plane, senior Air Force officials are doubtful whether the two light aircraft took off from there. Iranamadu is located in the Kilinochchi district west of the A-9 Jaffna-Kandy highway. One source said, “the use of a large stretch of road both for take off and landing cannot be ruled out.” Photographs released by the LTTE showed the Zlin Z-143 aircraft with a metal frame in the under belly to hold the bombs.
The aircraft used for the bombing has been conclusively identified by the Air Force as a Czech built Zlin Z-143 four-seater light aircraft. This was after the LTTE released photographs of the aircraft as well as a group of light blue uniformed guerrillas of the Air Wing, some sporting flying brevets, posing for photographs with their leader Velupillai Prabhakaran. Further confirmation of this was obtained by The Sunday Times from foreign aviation experts and intelligence sources.
The Sunday Times made a string of exclusive exposures on the LTTE constructing an airstrip east of the Iranamadu irrigation tank in the Kilinochchi district and acquiring aircraft. On March 6, 2005 this newspaper revealed exclusively how the United States has helped the Government identify an aircraft photographed by a UAV to be the Czech built Zlin Z-143. On March 27, 2005 this newspaper exclusively revealed a top secret report by the Air Force on the air capability developed by the LTTE. There were several other reports during 2005 and 2006.
The Zlin Z-143 is said to have a maximum range of 630 nautical miles (1,170 kilometres). The cost in 2005 is said to be around US $ 259,350 for a basic model. This aircraft, used for training and acrobatic purposes, is capable of carrying an ordinance load of 240 kilogrammes. Experts say such a load could be doubled or made more if only one pilot flies the aircraft as a “flying bomb.” Though there were fears earlier that suicide missions could be carried out with the aircraft, by hindsight it is clear the LTTE will not risk such a move unless they become desperate. This is both in view of the costs of the aircraft as well as the time and money invested to train the pilots abroad. Intelligence sources say the pilots for the guerrilla air wing were trained both in France and in the United Kingdom.
Of the four bombs that fell at the Katunayake SLAF base, one did not explode. The firing mechanism did not trigger. It was broken into large pieces. That gave Air Force the detailed characteristics of the bomb. It contained C-4 explosives and had been mixed with large quantities of steel razor balls. The Sunday Times (Situation Report) revealed last week how over a million such steel balls were seized by the Navy in Kalpitiya on February 16. The new discovery confirms that more stocks of steel balls had been smuggled in earlier.
As confirmed from pictures released by the LTTE, the improvised fin stabilized gravity bombs had been attached to the under belly of the aircraft by a metal frame. According to a senior Air Force official who did not wish to be named, each bomb weighed 25 kilogrammes. He said there was an electrical cable linked from the fuselage to the frame of each bomb that hung at two points. The bombs, he said, had been held electromagnetically until they were dropped.
The Commander of the Sri Lanka Air Force, Air Marshal Roshan Goonetilleke, has appointed a three member Court of Inquiry to probe Monday’s attack. This is to identify lapses, if any in the Air Force, and the corrective measures to be taken. The Court is headed by Air Vice Marshal P.B. Premachandra, Chief of Staff and comprises Group Captain Ranil Gurusinghe, Commanding Officer, SLAF base, Ratmalana and Group Captain Clyde Weerakoon, Staff Officer in the Directorate of Training. Wing Commander Janaka Nanayakkara, Staff Officer in the Directorate of Administration has been named as the Secretary to the Court.
In 2005, when the SLAF received confirmation of the construction of the LTTE airstrip, they were able to discern that the guerrillas had only two aircraft. Thereafter, confirmation that they possessed five came in a briefing note a high level Sri Lanka Air Force team received from their Indian counterparts. The 14 page note, seen by The Sunday Times, revealed that the LTTE had “Up to five light aircraft having 600 nm (nautical miles) range with maximum speed/height of 200 kts (knots) / 15000′, capable to carry 250 kg of explosives.” The briefing note came as India gifted Air Defence radars to Sri Lanka and invited a high level SLAF team to visit their air base in Bangalore to discuss matters relating to it.
The Indian offer prompted the former Government to cancel an order placed with China for 4 Dimensional radars. India was to first install two Dimensional radars and later integrate 4 Ds. Whilst the 2 D radars indicate direction and distance of a target, the 4 D provides the height in addition to the other two factors.
The Indian note observed: “Though an MoU for ceasefire has been signed by the GoSL (Government of Sri Lanka) with insurgent groups, there are confirmed reports of the LTTE developing infrastructure for operating in third dimension. The conflict has been restricted to ground level activity till recently. Acquisition of light twin/four seater aircraft, development of airstrip at Iranamadu and ongoing training of pilots by LTTE has opened the third dimension of war from air. GoSL is exceedingly concerned with this development. GoSL has expressed a desire that GoI (Government of India) help them in assessing their AD (air defence) requirements to enforce her sovereignty in airspace over its territories.”
The note listed the following threats perceived by the Government of Sri Lanka:Colombo and economic targets in and around Colombo.
National leadership.
Use of aerial route by the LTTE to bring in critical military hardware.
Suicide attacks on centres of gravity.
Parallel attacks on number of VAs (Vulnerable Areas) and VPs (Vulnerable Points) to undermine the morale of the people.
Use the air assets to get their demands accepted and threaten the sovereignty of Sri Lanka.
Based on inputs given by the Government, the Indian Air Force made some deductions. Among them:The aircraft has adequate range to do a tactical routing from the sea to attack targets in Colombo, Southern Sri Lanka and East Sri Lanka coast. However, the COG (centre of gravity) being located in Colombo, the attack if any to achieve the desired result would be in and around Colombo.
The attack on VA/VPs in Colombo emanating from West (sea) is the most challenging to Air Defence set up of Colombo area.
Runway at Iranamadu can take on operation of C-130 type of aircraft which can carry 10 to 15 ton load.
Jungle around the Iranamadu runway provides good concealment of airborne assets of the LTTE.
This is the second time that the SLAF airbase has come under attack from Tiger guerrillas. The first was on July 24, 2001, when guerrillas infiltrated the area and mounted attacks both on the international airport and the adjoining SLAF base. Civilian and military aircraft were destroyed.Following top level inquiries into the incident, the Ministry of Defence then decided to shift the Kfir and MiG-27 squadrons to a location near the SLAF base in Sigiriya. The idea was to make sure the international airport was secure. The move drew fierce protests from environmental groups who said this could cause damage to the Sigiriya frescoes and other historical sites. Hence, the moves were suspended.
Most Sri Lankans woke up last Monday morning to realize that the face of the near-two decade long separatist war has changed. During the undeclared Eelam War IV Tiger guerrillas have for the first time demonstrated their air strike capability. It came at a time when the people were made to believe that the LTTE has been badly weakened and 95 per cent of the battles have been won. Until last Monday, wars were fought only on the ground and at sea. Now, the defence and security establishment are forced to cope with a new threat from the air, one that has many ramifications.
Whilst the Ministry of Defence pondered over a long term response, searchlights and communications sets were issued to troops in the front lines of the north. They were told to alert their bases if they sighted any suspicious aircraft. In what seemed a move that bordered on hilarity, Sri Lankans were asked to telephone 116 if they sighted any suspicious aircraft.
Monday’s LTTE demonstration of their air strike capability, even if it sounds primitive to some, means the defence establishment will have to evolve counter measures to secure military installations, naval assets at sea and on land, troop transport ships, VIP residences and a host of others who are now targets. To a nation that is reeling under an economic crisis, such measures would be a costly burden.
Already, foreign suppliers are girding themselves to offer air defence mechanisms and a host of other related hardware to the Government to overcome the threat. Like what has happened in the past, such procurements would lead again to the birth of some more millionaires or billionaires, both in and out of uniform. That is at a time when those who disclose such blatant rip offs and rackets in the media have become the second, (or is it the first), enemy.
Through high-pitched official propaganda they have already been warned of the dubious titles they will qualify for through those exposures – being branded as acolytes of the enemy and even named traitors. They are destined to remain in the graveyard of silence or suffer the consequences for saying the truth. That is Sri Lanka today.
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/070401/Columns/sitreport.html
There are over 1500 pictures there can you be more specific to indian related technology related with their cruise missile programs.
1500 pictures and you want more? lol
Mission computer for Astra

Brahmos Command and control system from another private firm;
Skimming through some of your listed companies lets have a look:
Larsen & Toubro- Checked their website, generic information about what they do, just mentioning TEL and hydrolics for cruise missile development as you put it dont equate to them doing it, as any joe blogg can put up a website. No pictures of facilities, design/development, manpower ect ect.
L&T are not fore front in cruise missile developement programme.
but See this,
L&T to join hands with Boeing in India
ECONOMIC TIMES (NEW DELHI) Feb 09, 2007Larsen & Tourbo (L&T), India’s largest engineering company, is joining hands with the world’s largest aircraft maker, Boeing Company, to explore business opportunities in the Indian defense sector.
The Mumbai-based L&T already is one of India’s largest suppliers to strategic sectors such as defense and aerospace. The company signed an agreement with Boeing the world’s leading aerospace company and the largest manufacturer of commercial jetliners and military aircraft.
“As a major supplier of critical systems to India’s defense sector for more than four decades, we have worked closely with the defense establishment in developing a range of advanced systems. This new agreement will add depth to our capabilities in the aerospace and defense sectors,” said L&T senior executive vice-president M V Kotwal.
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems vice-president Mark Sullivan said: “Our goal is to identify and build strong partnerships with a number of key Indian companies โฆthis agreement with L&T (which) we see as a positive example of much more to come.” He also said that Boeing would want to “match the best of India with the best of Boeing, to the equal long term benefit of both.”
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, a unit of Boeing, is one of the world’s largest space and defense businesses. Based in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $32.4 billion business and provides network-centric system solutions to its global military, government and commercial customers.
Recently, there were media reports that Boeing may sell as many as eight modified versions of the P&A Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft to India over a period of four years.
Also, state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics said it plans to float a joint venture company with L&T to make aircraft components. Both the companies plan to have a joint development of composites, parts, and components for aircraft
http://www.lntenc.com/ezine/feb-07/press.jsp
I’ll try to find details tomorrow.
Composite Tubes for Missiles- TATA – Again generic lets see some pictures from TATA showing what they are doing.
Tatas, Their site is not updated for long but anyways do check the animation that comes first you’ll see what TEL they developed etc etc.
Embedded software for the missile- Show us some press releases of satyam and the other companies you have listed giving some explanation on the embedded software they have produced.
I dont have it as of now will try tomorrow or maybe nick can do it.
Hindustan Aeronautics & DRDO (Missile INS)- Instead of just listing what they do, as you acuse me of why dont you show some pictures of development facilities, and some pictures of the hardware they developed to embed in the missile.
lol
http://www.aeroindia.org
or check aero india pictures from BR.
Maybe these few brochures will do?
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/v/Users/Arun_S/Brochures/
You have mentioned Larsen & Toubro many times, it seems they are at the forefront of Indian cruise missile development. Now lets get back to the Babur.
They are not.
If its related to the Babur what point would it make in displaying technology that is not for export, but onboard computers and navigation systems have been on display go and have a look on http://www.idaerospace.com/fcs.html that is one company that markets such technology.
lol those are for babur? i dont see navigation system there.
I thought if those were for babur it would have been written for babur instead of for being UAV’s.
Anyways I’m no electronic expert, to judge these though. They well can be for Babur.
INTEGRATED DYNAMICS is a full-service UAV systems provider based in Karachi, Pakistan. We have been in business since 1997 and design and integrate UAV systems primarily for the Government of Pakistan and the Pakistan Armed Forces. We are commited to the use of the UAV system as a scientific and defensive tool that can be used to save lives and monitor potentially hazardous situations in environments hostile for human personnel.
I think someone should shoot a business mail , if they makes things for missiles ๐ฎ naughty idea eh? :diablo:
Again the question of keeping the previous tests a secret makes sense when you know for sure that the missile was tested before.You don’t.You are mere speculating. After the first so called PR test they could have said that the missile was tested before, but they didnt. The govt clearly said its the first test.
The contardiction is in your govt official statement.If officially you claim it the first test and claim it will be inducted next month every one will say its a imported system.
Just what i wanted to say, I dont know how much command anyone from here has just to make a point,
1> This is not a ballistic missile that 1-2-3 test will give someone complete authority, this is cruise missile.
2> Guidance test ALONE WILL TAKE a minimum of 7 to 8 tests, if i have to buy his word that Pakistan developed the guidance system and engine.
3> If they tested it before how many times would they want to keep it a secret? okay 1 time? then if it is succesful in second time test why would they keep it a secret? Assuming they did all tests secretly before means
> You have a 500 kms missile – you tested it – it entered service = it must have been secretly tested 5-6 times to validate guidance/datalinks/warhead/onboard computer/aerodynamic configuration before so considering atleast 3-4 test of that succesful why would someone want to keep 3-4 test secret? Add to thast mini-nuke capable?
> In the next test they icnreases the range to 700 kms.
4> I’m wont even say this is not build by pakistan because I’M SURE PAKISTAN HAS EFFORTS INTO IT, But based on the data we have i’ll believe it when I’ll se a Pakistani made turbofan engine and atleast 6-7 tests.
Engine
Guidance (Where is the validation?)
INS – They “can” do it.
It doesnt has seeker so it is out of question.
These two main things I’m skeptical about.
Design help can go to hell, these days almost everyone takes design help from other countries.
I would expect “any country” developed a turbofan engine to proudly showcase the engine in IDEAS or whatever happened; that is why Harry asked i guess? “What was observation of Babur in IDEAS 2006”.
Take Lakhshya for example which has potential to become a Cruise missile, Each time it was tested new subsystems was introduced, the IMU was introduced, new INS was intriduced, new Mission computer was introduced and atleast more than 10-12 tests was performed just to validate correctness of these new INS/IMU…………….and ofcourse guidance which have potential to become a cruise missile.
Take astra for example, It flew with plain ballistic verification in 2003 and its aerodynamic verification and rocket motor verification, this time with onboard mission computer and guidance to further validate the newly placed fins, and already 7 tests have been done.
5> I’m still wondering who builded the TEL? or who have build such a nice TEL still wants to keep it secret? Pakistan should immediately export TEL if it builds such nice TEL’s (not kidding).
There is no doubt Pakistan will slowly absorb these technologies,whereever it came from nor I’m discrediting Pakistani scientist (kudos to them if they have done it) but as someone said asking help has no issue as long as the system works; but claiming i developed engine/guidance and one test its done, 2 test range has been increased; doesnt it seems a little bit weird?
It’s not April 1 yet.
Deceptive reply, i almost fell from my chair :dev2: ๐ ๐
but seriously is this a PS pic?
but i dont know how even can 10 J10’s catch F22 the height supercruise…it’ll simply out speed it.
ok if i was a american at first it would have gave me shocks literally ๐ฎ
so a chinese news channel is faking does the pic looks PS?
but hey why are they flying with landing gear down? ๐ฎ
^more than enough enough to shut up many.
There can be these two incidents,
Goint by this report,
POPULAR SINHALA NEWSPAPER REPORTS ON THE MALFUNCTIONED INDIAN RADAR SYSTEM AND SAME DAY ARRIVAL OF AIR TIGERS
By Walter Jayawardhana
Sri Lankaโs popular Sinhala language newspaper โthe Divainaโ said that there is a probability that the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) was working with a mole planted inside the main Sri Lanka Air Force base at Katunayaka in the attack by the Air Tigers.
The newspaper in its lead story said the light propeller driven attack aircraft arrived above the airbase on the same day the radar system of the air force was turned off for repairs.
1 > The radar was switched off and LTTE had inside men making it sure.
2> As Srilankan Government officially MADE IT CLEAR THE REPORT BEING WRONG it ends there.
This radar is virtually used one among many in India a LOT and our services are not fools to use un-tested or unworkable radar systems.
At the end of the day this if investigates properly will end up much like Hizbullah fooled the barak system :rolleyes: type.
Do you guys even realise Srilanka is now kind of a trilateral game with US-China-India each trying to access most, I must say whatever China is doing in its string of pearl stategy is not so good, consider India deploying something in Taiwan each and every chinese in the whole world will start whinning, hell they did wven on base in tajikhistan.
Check some background of each newspaper reporting what, you will see each is controlled by some each bosses..
No matter how you slice it, it’s bad piece of equipment
oh my dear goldie We have already saw your ignorance in history in ahem another thread, now your showing your ignorance should i say illiteracy in products?
I can challenge you If you can prove that thing is bad :diablo: not just hizbullah defeated barak story but credible proof till then; I’m going to take a nap, will come back ; to see anything “productive”.
globetracker do you realise this thread talks about babur and not ballistic missiles?
Sorry. You’ve completely lost me.
not my fault.
So you are saying the govt approved the project in 82/83. They nothing happened till 1990 and then suddenly the govt woke up and said…lets go?
Approved in 1990 just like the LCH , studies started around 2003 byt government approved it formally in 2006-7.
Can you show me some govt document, or an official statement, that shows the LCA project was put in deep freeze from 83 till 1990 and then started all of a sudden?
Its NOT A MATTER OF FREEZE BUT matter of HOW INDIAN ESTABLISHMENT WORKS, I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY REASON
If by 2020 you see MCA WILL YOU SAY it started developement from 1998?
Indias third carrier will start around 2012-13 so you will say it started developement around 1990?
Indias RLV project started until recently so you’ll say it started in 1980’s?
If not, then the only conclusion is they were trying to figure out what to do (pre-development phase) and hence the project had started.
When you dont recieve funding how can you even start PDP? IT was on paper only, feasibility studies formation of a body to handle the project etc was going on.
Look, you can believe whatever you want to be the start date. But that doesnt change anything.
Sorry but its not a matter of believe BUT FACT.Harry is pretty much clear, if he wishes He will clear it more.I have said VIS-A-VIS indian scenario.
The point is that LCA still isnt ready and it wont be for a few more years yet.
We all know that but hey anyone in this forum was this “the point”?
Not a true reflection of facts. NO project starts from the date of development phase. WHich is what you are trying to say. If that was the case, no project would ever need pre-development activities. The project starts once the decision is taken to proceed with it and it has been approved. This happened back in 82/83.
๐ฎ Do you even realise my point the conceptual design of MCA started before 2000 so if it comes around 2020 will you say it started in 1998?
JUST BECAUSE you have acess to online university materials showing project thought started in 1982 there is a hell and heaven difference in India of conceptual idea and being properly initiated “after funding“
๐ฎ I just dont get your logic vis-a-vis Indian scenario.
Mig 35’s airframe is very nice If we want 126 mig 35’s IAF should customize it, put ELM 2052 AESA in it,and Put meteor in it :diablo:
To get access to meteor if the french tries to take a nap get 40 odd rafales and put some MKI for dedicated naval strike role :diablo:
kaduna uh uh Gripen C/D is TOTALLY out because of its similarity with LCA, I mean C’MON Tell me something which Gripen bring in table LCA doesnt!
I’m all for the Gripen E/F version but is IAF ready to delay its MRCA for it?
I love Eurofighter but it is bloody costly, If it comes around 45~50mn$ a piece when produced in India I dont see why IAF would say no.
Mig 35 ofcourse a nice one.
My bets are,
60 mig 35 + 60 typhoon
or
60 mig 35 + 60 rafale
or
60 mig 35 + 60 Gripen E/F
They have “in-principle” plans for a longer-range verison which will have an active seeker for terminal homing (most likely imported).. however no serious work on that bcoz there is no user-requirement.. Unless IAF inducts the current system, gives feedback and finds a need for an improved/LR version — that wont be pursued..
All this is based on conversations at AI07 talking to various people at Akash stall..
Akash 2 seeker imported? I highly doubt it, rest I agree but if it is pursued the seeker will be made inhouse just like ABM RF seeker one. There wont be space constraints as well as it is a SAM.