Soumik Dey

Surat, March 27: An Ahmedabad firm is supplying high tech domes to Indian Army divisions in forward posts and divisional headquarters in Delhi, J&K and Gujarat. The Indian Navy has already secured some of these high-tech domes and is in the process of securing more for its bases in Vizag and Jamnagar.

These domes, made of a space-age composite material are bullet-proof and fire-proof. They have served their purpose in operations of the US, German and Japan Armies.

Manufactured by the Ahmedabad-based Domes International Ltd (DIL) these domes are made of organic material and composite polyester resin mixed with glass.

Originally designed by the German Army after the World War-II, this material, according to a certification from the Director General of Quality Assurance can take a load of upto 4 tonnes per square-inch.

“This is possible because of the unique properties of the compound and the traditional dome structure that distributes the weight evenly. The composite material panels used in the domes have a level-II ballistic resistance and are fire retardant. It can withstand blasts,” said Col (retd) R N Ghosh, VP-Marketing and strategy for DIL.

The structure requires little maintenance since it is not affected by mildew and saline environment and is resistant to rot and rust. These structures are a good shield against UV rays.

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=228747

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The onus is on those that are saying pakistan has not manufacturered the missile itself to prove otherwise. Just because such technical information is not availble in the public domain does not mean it dont exist. Not every military takes in defence reporters to explain to them how their systems work, the babur is a new missile for pakistan they arnt likly to release this kind of information your after just yet.

umm, no things dont work that way; you just dont setup facility and put up scientist from nowhere? and work on missiles day and night; you start from credible research institutes; Lets take the tubojet for example If Pakistan has developed Turbojet by now and put it inside a workable missile of 700 kms; there would be number of IEEE articles from Pakistani universities regarding engine developement.If Pakistan would have developed onboard ruggedised such small mission computer there would be semiconfuctor fabrication labs in Pakistan (i dont know if there is or not so a guess) etc etc etc………

Things just dont work as you see or hear.

This is only a percent of the story.

Since all the Indians here know for sure that Babur is a Chinese missile in Pakistani colors, so to speak, kindly show my EVIDENCE to back up your claim specifically in regards to this cruise missile, else shut the hell up

Dude; Do you even realise that 80% of posts here are from CHINESE AND NON-INDIAN members? in this thread?

sheesh…:rolleyes:

Farooq; I know what you’ve already said 🙂 .

What matters MOST in this thread is AMID ALL THE SPECULATIONS AND ENGINE CONTROVERSY; They got it and in time working and with colors! :diablo: kudos to em.

I dont know who bought “India” in this thread for the first time! but Controversial reply was “started” by Golden err Goldie?

Your statement is reflective of total ignorance, and extreme hateret. I only wish if Pakistan was good at Propaganda war.

uh oh? Propaganda War; See your propaganda war has a difference say like THIS ; of making distorted history.

Our propaganda comes from Media; normal abc Indians dont hate Pakistan or Pakistanis nor are we ever taught in school about indo-pak war ever; but does so once get to know about the “Actual state of affairs”.

There is so much propaganda from our media against DRDO,
Propaganda of Nehru to not even have a Army
etc etc; it depends on how much “rational” minds are buying into it and the proportion of such minds is what you need to look; I’m pretty sure you dont have to search far.

Please xyz 13 year propaganda you see in facebook or etc etc doesnt represent what “all Indians think”.

The matter of fact is what you have described. I feel so embarace when some members claim that JF-17 is made in Pakistan. No it is not. During the design and manufacturing of this aircraft, Pakistan has some contribution but it is very little. And I also agree with you that Pakistan is assembling this aircraft. However, it is not the first venture. PAC has been assembling other aircrafts too.

Yes, I know Pakistani pilots, assistant engineers where all along with this developement to bring it upto their ASR and CAS needs and it is for “musharaff” that has changed Pakistans quite “some fronts” specially fronts regarding defence.

And about other aircrafts yes, recently a few months back i read a article on they succesfully overhauling some ac, i dont quite remember the name

I do respect Pakistans contribution but unfortunately There is a whole lot of questions unanswered; Either Pakistans Service accepts whatever Developement agencies makes them and says reports the one you posted(like calling al khalid > Arjun) ; or hush-hush co-operation.

If someone loks at Indias missile testing;

Astra test fired around 6 times till now and will be ready around when LCA gets IOC.From its onboard mission computer to laser sensing sensors to, raw power in vertical launch test to aerodynamic charecteristics to its slip cast silica fused radome’s heat capacity verification etc etc a whole lot of thigns needs to be carried out when one is designing a new variant of missile for the first time.

Akash SAM has been tested god knows how many zillion times; still recently they ordered the Mirach-5 system from Gallilio Avionicca to test it again to meet better requirements which PTA Lakhshya couldnt have met, now operational in smaller numbers and is still to go some full length test; will go using mirach 5 system.

Lakhshya which have a potential to become Indias Subsonic Long range cruise missile has been developed bit by bit and tested literally more than 10/15 times over periods verifying each and other subsystems like Digital Auto-Pilot/New IMU/INS(Inertial Measurement Unit)/New Engine has been developed and used.

Heck even the Nishant UAV which is a MALE took quite time to develope and meet its quality needs for with its new Advanced Ground Control System (AGCS), configured to meet current and future UAV programs. With 4 designed consoles, mission commander, payload operator and image exploitation functions. “Each console comprises a 21.3” high resolution TFT display supporting picture-in-picture capability, supporting the presentation of payload imagery, electronic maps (in raster and vector modes). “

remember; the Indian ABM test happened before atleast 3 to 4 times before being public.

I wonder these things in Babur;

1, nuclear warhead? when pakistan built mini nuclear warhead? it takes years to build a successful warhead design and takes more money than the cost of developement of babur.

2. Which turbofan engine it used? as we know pakistan doesnt has any facilities or technologies to produce engine blades inhouse as far as I’m aware of, this was exact problem with kaveri, india dont have facility to mass produce single crystal blades of core kaveri aka kabini that is why we neded help to produce them on commercial basis, and once out of two times high altitude tests failed due to faulty tolerance of engine blades which needs to be built which extremely high precision.

So just a question unanswered on smaller scale. (i dont know if i have put forward my question in correct pattern or not regarding engines).

3. Guidance? which GPS is it using? US wont spare P grade signals, Chinese bediou isnt operational as of yet. or is it operational? So it is using second grade GPS signals on Recievers available in international market?

4. Seeker? I doubt it has seeker, it has point to point guidance as in a LACM means you need a UAV to acquire a target, yes it is quite possible to do for pakistan (they are buying UAV’s from Italy and they do make some short ranged UAV’s).

5. 1 Test and Guidance verification with its engine parametres are met? 2 test, and range increased to 700 kms? It took India 9 test (10th test with live warhead) to develope and verify the guidance of Brahmos..

sorry for such a big post 😮

And that’s what we call “wishful thinking”. Atomic front?

Other than “pure” range of ballistic missiles; Atomic front is more di-illusional, Just for a note We are one among ITER Partner 😎

Kurshed thanks for the information so what kind of Guidance it uses?

orko Reports from Rajat Pandit is NOT TRUSTABLE AND CONTAINS HUGE HUGE errors and misinformations.

A better report,

India on a nuclear super-highway

India is set to launch its first nuclear submarine later this year which if successful will put the country in an extremely exclusive club of hi-tech defense powered nation.

Currently Indian defense system only has few battery operated submarines, that are way back in technology as compared to the nuclear once. The last time the Indian Navy operated a nuclear submarine was in the late 1980s, when it leased a Russian Charlie class vessel.

The project codenamed the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) has been crawling since 1974. Now what does ATV actually mean?
The nuclear haves are increasingly relying on sea-based nuclear deterrence in preference to land and air segments. India has a number of foreign-produced cruise missile systems in its arsenal, to include Exocet, Styx, Starbright, Sea Eagle, and perhaps the Russian Sunburn supersonic missile. It also has some indigenous cruise missile systems under development to include the Sagarika and Lakshya variant.

The Sagarika (Oceanic) began development in 1994 as a submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM) which will have a range of at least 300 kms (a few claim 1000 kms); it was projected for deployment around 2005. The program has met with considerable delays and the missile is not expected to become operational before 2010. It will probably arm India’s nuclear submarine, the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV).

India is a nation that fights for entering the select group of countries that build nuclear powered submarines. Even after three decades it still had not presented results that could modify the current picture of the navies with nuclear propulsion. India has been working actively since 1985 to develop an indigenously constructed nuclear-powered submarine, one that was based on the Soviet Charlie II-class design, detailed drawings of which are said to have been obtained from the Soviet Union in 1989. This project illustrates India’s industrial capabilities and weaknesses. The secretive Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) project to provide nuclear propulsion for Indian submarines has been one of the more ill-managed projects of India.

Although India has the capability of building the hull and developing or acquiring the necessary sensors, its industry has been stymied by several system integration and fabrication problems in trying to downsize a 190 MW pressurized water reactor (PWR) to fit into the space available within the submarine’s hull. Reports now indicate that India has overcome the biggest problem or miniaturisation of a nuclear power plant that is to be mounted on a submarine hull. The Proto-type Testing Centre (PTC) at the Indira Gandhi Centre For Atomic Research, Kalpakkam, was used to test the submarine’s turbines and propellers. A similar facility is operational at Vishakhapatnam to test the main turbines and gear box.

According to some accounts India planned to have as many as five nuclear submarines capable of carrying missiles with nuclear warheads. The Indian nuclear powered attack submarine design is said to have a 4,000-ton displacement and a single-shaft nuclear power plant of Indian origin. Once the vessel is fully completed, it may be equipped with Danush/Sagarika cruise missiles and an advanced sonar system. However, according to some analysts the most probable missile for the Indian submarine would be the Yahont anti-ship cruise missile designed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya.

In 2004 it was reported that the first ATV would be launched by 2007. At that time it was reported that it would be an SSGN and displacing some 6,500 tons, with a design derivative of Russia’s Project 885 Severodvinsk-class (Yasen) SSN. The ATV multirole platform would be employed for carrying out long-distance interdiction and surveillance of both submerged targets as well as principal surface combatants. It would also facilitate Special Forces operations by covertly landing such forces ashore. The ATV pressure hull will be fabricated with the HY-80 steel obtained from Russia.
This way it would have the possibility of multiple performance: it could use missiles of cruise of average reach (1,000 km), ballistic missiles of short reach (300 km), torpedoes and mines, besides participating of operations special. The vessel displaces 6,500 tonnes and can stay submerged for upto 100 days. Armed with guided missiles, it can carry a crew of 70 people. India is also in negotiations to acquire two Russian-made nuclear submarines of the Akula class.

Some Important stats:

Vessel Type: Submarine

Country: India

Program Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV)

Total Number 4-6 Unit Cost (US$) 1B (Est.)

Builder Vishakapatnam Naval Dockyard (VND) with assistance from Mazagon Dock Ltd. (MDL).

Displ. Tons 5,500 – 6,500

Length 100m (328ft)

Beam 15m (49.2ft)

Draft 9m (29.5ft)

Machinery Nuclear: one pressurized water reactor (PWR) using 20% enriched uranium fuel (160-190MW); one turbine (47,000hp/70MW); one shaft; one 7-bladed, high-skew propeller.
Speed (Knots) 12-15 (surfaced) 30-34 (submerged).
Range Unlimited. Diving Depth 300 m (984.2ft).

Complement Undetermined.

Weapons Torpedoes: Six 21 inch (533mm) torpedo tubes. Mines. A total capacity (mines, torpedoes, and missiles) of 30 weapons.
Missiles Submarine launched cruise missiles (SLCM) using either a vertical launch system or a torpedo tube launch, surface-to-surface missiles (SSMs), and a submarine launched ballistic missile (SLBM).

Note: All the above data is estimated and not exact.

If this is successfully achieved, then it would be valid to assume that the Indian Fleet will count on four to six of these submarines until the year of 2020.

http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=124552&category=Technology&catID=4&rtFlg=rtFlg

If it radiates, it dies.

The last thing a wise fighter designer will do is add another emitter. If you radiate, you have become prey. Add ESM, or better yet a staring multispectral imaging array, but never, ever add another device that radiates and gives away your position. How do you think F-22 runs up an impressive string of victories? The harder you look for it by radiating, the easier it is for F-22 to find you and kill you.

Fanboys never learn.

😀 brilliant! 😀 😎 😮