Originally posted by F-18 Hamburger
amd this is a fantan
Wow!!! That backside is sure a good resemblance of you, Burger.
Have to be due to all the goodies from PetSmart that you’ve been having for breakfast,
for lunch, and for dinner all these years!!! Very nutritious as it seems!!!So don’t give it up, Burger! That stuff is
sure goin’ to help you bring home that dogy of the year award that
you’ve so been longing for all these years.But, try not to leave that yucky stuff behind wherever you go will ya!!!
Originally posted by F-18 Hamburger
haha more assumptions.. notice how you can’t defend the lack of quality in the J-8 and resort to attacking me 😀
besides, I like the J-10 and the JH-7.
Once again:
Why don’t you dispatch a couple of your “top of the line items”
and try out the J-8s first hand instead of burying yourself in your “all talk
and no action” self-pity rhetorics that you are so accustomed???“I challenge you to do that, otherwise forever hold your peace.”
What the heck, I’ll even consider a 4:1 odd in your favor
exactly as how the Americans had offered you recently, so as to make it easier for you.
Therefore, pass the word to your village elder will ya???Besides, you don’t need much to set off such an event you know.
All that’s needed is for a few of your cream of the crop goodies to cross over
that massive mountain range and those j-8s will happen for you.Yes, it indeed is as simple as that!!!
Hey! Unless you take up this challenge, it then
become pointless, senseless even, for you and I or for anyone for
that matter to continue with this childhood silliness.
Originally posted by F-18 Hamburger
the J-8? Hunt down a blinder, backfire or blackjack?
please, it can’t even handle intercepting a P-3! :rolleyes:I think it took damn good care of you however 🙂 !!!
In fact, I think any/all Chinese goods does that to you because
these Chinese goods somehow seems to SO IRRATATE you. If otherwise,
why would you feel as uncomfortable as you are whenever something
Chinese comes up in the disscussions here in this board???Get some special ointment for it before it turn nasty on you…
😀 😀 😀 😀
Originally posted by kya bidu
If you call July 2002 recent – then so be it.
Its a clumsy photoshop. The outlines of the middle and right A6s can still be noticed where they were cloned out. Even the artistic concept is unoriginal. Not as cool as the other photoshops flying around the internet IMO.
I may be ESL, but, this’s how the subject reads:
Nice drawing, regardless “if the A/Cs was or wasn’t there previous”….
I think that says it all, shouldn’t it?? It’s all about art. No???
Originally posted by SOC
Good luck with that, seeing as how they aren’t going to be approaching the MiG-25’s ceiling, and lack a BVR weapon right now to do anything about them anyway. Same goes for the SR-71.Might want to consider them a threat then, if they were still in service 😉
I doubt if MiG-25s can still achieve
their near Mach 3 max or the ceiling range they do as spy planes
if and when loaded with nukes???
Originally posted by SOC
Something else I just noticed…where are the pilots in them JH-7s? 😮😀 😀 😀
Eat your heart out world!!! While the west
go stealth on hardware, the newest arsenal in Chinese inventory
is technology in personnel invisibility :)!!!!😀 😀 😀
Originally posted by kya bidu
The USS Abraham Lincoln – photoshopped from this original
USS Abraham Lincoln???
Damn!!! Wasn’t that the vessel that visited
HK, PRC just recently??? Those two birds then, must be
friendly escorts… The welcome party if you will.Cool combination regardless!
Originally posted by matt
aaah but the bear is propeller driven it cant be of any threat i mean its got propellers..but seriously why redsign an aircraft that was ment to catch YF-12(?? is that correct soc?) and CIA spy planes over Russia so that it could catch up with a bear? i dont see the logic in that.
The other types you mentioned maybe, bout any know how successful it would have been?
YF-12s (Blackbirds) are a pest. They are
not a threat unless they arm them with nukes. U-2s on the
other hand are known targets for SAMs.
Originally posted by dirtyharry
Gentlemen:J8 was totally different with the Mig21s. It was designed to shoot down U2s or SR71 flew over china airspace. The Chinese gov. was very annoyed about those U2 or SR71 always fiew into Lop Nor to peek Chinese nuclear facilities and the J6/J7 were no way to intercept such high flyers. SA2s was agood hunter of U2,but the prey wasnt always flew into the trap. Thats the reason for China to make a twin engine Mig21. It was the objective for China to make J8 in the 1960s. Actually after the success of J6 first flew(1964) & J7 first flew(1965),China began her research of her twin engine Mig21,J8 but the progress didnt go smooth until mid 1970s.Basically J7 wasnt reliable until 1975.
Mainly becuse the engine(R13) was unreliable due to the heat resistance material. Just like the F106, the J8 can be regarded as a stragetic fighter in China stragetic air command.Best regards
Harry, joking it off don’t change the facts…
While I would agree that the Blackjack might be a bit far fetched
for the j-8 to handle because the Blackjack are 4G stuff; the J-8s however
were designed “specifically” to tackle and hunt Bears, Blinders, and Backfires.
In some instances even to deal with MiG-25s if the need ever arisesThey can still fullfill the role regardles if from Siberia or if from over the Himalayas.
Re: Re: Blinder, Backfire, & Blackjack Hunter???
Originally posted by flex297
Well, we can easily call it Blackjack hunter. 🙂 You can be hunting Tu-160s even with a squadron of Beechcraft Bonanzas, the question is if you are able to kill any… 😎 :p
Actually, the word was that that’s what it (the J-8) was initially designed to do: Chase and hunt high altitude threats such as Tu-95 Bears, Blinders, Backfires, and the likes, which the Chinese feared might one day be heading their way, durring the cold and confrontational Brezhnev years. Altitudes the Beechcraft :), MiG-21s, even the mighty SAM find it hard to manage.
Originally posted by phrozenflame
[B]Want to get jealous of chinese???
watch this sleek dragon, Son of LAvi, Brother of Fc-1…
the king of dragons…muhahaha J-10
Please don’t use the
word “jealous”. IMHO, the word is
highly inappropriate.
Latest from the web:

And, said to be a sneak
shot also. Therefore, this plane is still
highly classified my opinion.
Source of pic above given:
Coverage by Xinhua of Indian Airforce excercise:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2004-03/02/content_1340316_1.htm
Sorry, Burger. I should’ve made it more clearer. My apologies
for having lead you to the idea that it was, as usual, something that’s inferiorly
and congenitally of a lower quality, i.e., Chinese for instance. 🙂
Can you ever forgive me for what I’ve done…
Re: Re: Not a bad load for an interceptor initially intended for the MiG-25 and Backfires
Originally posted by YellowSun
Bandwidth is such a precious thing to waste
It is, isn’t it? And there seem to be plenty of such
or even more notorious wastes but you have to pick this one to make
a point, making the bandwith situation even worst.
The picture in above and these
ones here, they are so alike. At a distance, I say
it’s almost an exact carbon copy…
http://ds.tiexue.com/upload/files/fc14.jpg
http://ds.tiexue.com/upload/files/fc22.jpg
http://ds.tiexue.com/upload/files/fc24.jpg
There ya go Burger.
They’re at it again — pathetically on their
photoshop routine of course :)!!!
Originally posted by shamayel
Usually you just
see the A-5s dropping bombs,
not doing air to air.
They do more than that. It serves
a very valuable and strategical purpose —
it goes where the H-6’s might not.Heck! I don’t even know what the term gravity bomb
here refer to mean and I still don’t (free fall maybe?). I also didn’t know
that they made up to a thousand of these buggers.Following reference
via a site known as ” CDI Center for
Defense Information“Air-Based Strategic Weapons
Hong-6 (B-6 or Tu-16 Badger)
Year Deployed: 1965
Dimensions: 34.8 meters length, 10.4 meters height, 34.2 meters wingspan
Weight: 75,800 kilograms maximum takeoff
Propulsion: 2 Wopen-8 turbojets
Throw-weight: 4,500 kg
Range: 3,100 kilometers
Speed: .91 Mach
Maximum Loadout: 1-3 bombs (1 bomb likely)
Weapon Load: 4,500 kilograms
Yield: Unknown
Locations: Datong (Qinghai) and other bases
Number Deployed: 100aircraft
Primary Contractor: Xi’an Aircraft CompanyThe Hong-6 is now the only long-range bomber in China’s inventory, since the retirement of the Hong-5, a copy of the Soviet Il-28 Beagle. The Hong 6 itself is a copy of the Tu-16 Badger, which joined Soviet forces in 1955. The Chinese acquired licensing rights and began producing their own in the 1960s. The capabilities of the H-6 are assumed the same as the Tu-16.
The primary role of the H-6 is thought to be conventional, with a secondary nuclear one. Designed as a high-altitude bomber, this obsolete aircraft has very poor qualities for penetrating air defenses. Range estimates vary, but it is within range of U.S. forces in the Pacific, as well as Russian urban areas east of the Urals. Though Russian versions carried up to four nuclear bombs, the Chinese have showed foreign observers that the H-6 has a nuclear bomb rack for only one weapon. There are approximately 120 H-6 bombers in the Air Force, with another 50 in non-nuclear anti-shipping roles (H-6D). The H-6 has been instrumental in Chinese weapon development, with modifications made to the design of operational weapons as a result of its testing. The H-6 was used to drop several live weapons in nuclear tests at the Lop Nor site in the 1960s.
To modernize its airforce, China has been purchasing aircraft and production rights from Russia. They have acquired production rights for the Su-27 and purchased 38 SU-30s – the two-seat version of the SU-27. China began production of the SU-27 in 1998. It is not clear that either aircraft is expected to take on a nuclear role, although both can be so configured.
Qiang-5 (A-5)
Year Deployed: 1970
Dimensions: 15.65 meters length, 4.33 meters height, 9.86 meters wingspan
Weight: 6,375 kilograms empty, 11,380 kilograms maximum takeoff weight
Propulsion: 2 x Wopen-6 turbofans
Maximum Weapon Load: 1,500 kilograms
Range: 400 kilometers (hi-lo-hi)
Speed: Mach 1.12
Weapon Load: 2,000 kilograms
Maximum Loadout: One gravity bomb in internal weapon bay
Locations: Unknown
Number Deployed: 30 aircraft (estimated nuclear capable)
Primary Contractor: Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing CompanyThe Qian-5 (referred to by NATO as the A-5 “Fantan”) is a Chinese redesign of the Soviet MiG-19 fighter. The primary visual difference is the addition of a nose cone and the addition of lateral air intakes on either side of the fuselage just forward of the swept wings. The Qian-5 is a single-seat, supersonic low-level attack aircraft. There are 10 hard points for attaching munitions, as well as two 23 millimeter cannons. The pilot is safeguarded with armor plating around the cockpit as well as an ejection seat.
Nearly 1,000 aircraft were built, with 550-600 of the improved Q-5A variant. An unknown number of the Q-5As were modified to carry nuclear weapons. The assumption is that this number is small, with perhaps a regiment of 30 aircraft assigned to the nuclear role. A Q-5 used a loft bombing technique in a Chinese nuclear test in 1972. Though aging, the Q-5 retains good low-level attack capability and speed, assets the H-6 bomber lacks.
China has been working on a supersonic fighter-bomber, the Hong-7, often compared to the European Tornado. However the few that will be produced (less than 20) will be used as a naval strike aircraft, not in the nuclear role.
Gravity Bomb
Year Deployed: Unknown
Dimensions: Unknown
Weight: Unknown
Circular Error Probable: Unknown
Yield: Unknown — strategic version approximately 3 megatons, tactical version 5-20 kilotons
Locations: Unknown
Number Deployed: Unknown
Primary Contractor: UnknownVery little is known of Chinese gravity bombs other than they exist. The Qian-5 attack aircraft has been reported as carrying a tactical nuclear weapon with a yield of 5-20 kilotons. Several bombs have been dropped by Hong-6 bombers in atmospheric nuclear tests (like the one pictured above) with yields ranging from 15 kilotons (12/24/67) to 4 megatons (11/17/76). Given the range of yields in airborne nuclear tests, the Chinese probably have at least two bomb variants: a tactical one with a low kiloton yield, and a strategic one in the 1-3 megaton range.
Like the Soviets, the Chinese rely mainly on ballistic missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. This fact, and the fact that the Chinese arsenal is extremely small compared to those of the United States and Russia, explains China’s vehement opposition to relaxation or abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) between the Soviet Union and the United States. China’s air delivery vehicles — the Hong-6 and the Qian-5 — are both aging platforms that lack the ability to penetrate air defenses.