HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Vortex
and the best he can make in 20 years is a copied “rocket” called silkworm. And the best rocket it was made needed American help to tell them where it went wrong :rolleyes: Interestingly many failed to understand what the term “American” means and unfortunately do to some rather sad circumstances it left him felt betrayed and bitter…or was it the other way around :confused: while one lived in lavishness others lived to toil the land and served him in his mansion of many servants…hum…i thought it’s about equality for the people, to quote “Some animals are just more equal than others”… one person equals one race mentality :rolleyes: But, the question is who’s the teacher…. such ignorance, but on the other hand totally fits the mold of certain stereotypical racial mentality.Make it a bit more obvious, Vortex. I’m not fully catching on here. Besides, the rehtoric is getting boring.
HaleyoneshoemakI beg of you
to stop. You’re seriously
driving me crazyThere’s an old saying, and it goes something like this:
“If you can’t stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.”
But then again, since I’m the one that wrote this
piece and since the things I say don’t make any sense anyhow,
I doubt if you understand what’s said here.In the interest of other
posters that might read that garbage
I’ve got to correct it.Wow!!! Bleedin’ heart and good samaritan
aren’t you? And I thought you’re a man of integrity, and, maybe,
just maybe, a person with a wee bit of humor!!!First off…..The
aircraft is designated F-CK-1,
not FCK-1.Picky picky picky!!! Mr. perfecto aren’t you???
Honestly, and if my suspicion is correct here as to who or
what you are, then, you should feel honored that it’s been given the
designation “J” instead of “F” even if just for the fun of it.At the very least, I for one am d*mn proud of
the IDF even if you are ashame of it!!! But then again, you wouldn’t
understand the logic behind that either, do you???Far as the J-8 and 10 is concerned, they are
“apples and oranges” and the reason for that is because they
were built with different roles and objects in mind.The J-8, still an interceptor to take on hostile
aircrafts (bombers) while the j-10 a multi-role fighter whose aim,
IMO, still centers around the F-14, 15, and 18s.Have a little imagination!!!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Distiller
High high Horses, shall we say???
It is a ludicrous habit of leaders and individuals from
those “certain nations” to lament about the West not letting
them play in the grand game, when at the same time those “certain
nations” still have fundamental problems like feeding their people
or develop basic mental, social and technical structures.Interesting thought and philosophy, my Dear Mr. Distiller :)!!!
But, isn’t that, coupled with the real reason – “caution” – the real
driving force and the “EXCUSES” behind the monoply???Fundamentals:
How many homelesses was it that was last recored in your country,
Mr. Distiller??? How many on food stamps?? And, how many are in fact living
under the poverity line when NASA heads towards the stars???There’s a word for thoughts and ideals as yours,
Mr. Distiller, but I can quite finger it just yet. But I will let
you in on it when it surfaces in my brain again 😉 .The West didn’t get its technology from God Almighty above.
Those “certain nations” had exactly the same chance to develop
all those technical goodies as the West had. And peoples like Persians,
Arabs, Indians and Chinese were indeed superior to the West in
past centuries, but they simply got stuck or even retarded.Then don’t call it “International then!! Because, if
you call it ISS and are picky or choosy about who is welcome and who is not
welcome to it, then it not very internationall now, is it???BTW, since you are so upbeat about the west’s
achievement in science and technology: Did you know that
when Wernher von Braun was fiddling around with his “HOBBY” in Hitler’s
Germany that the CalTech-MIT’s educated Qian Xuesen paid the Guy a visit along
with other scientists from these institutes and trade ideas???Try figure what that might
mean or imply for your [i]”didn’t get its technology
from God Almighty above”[/i] logic!!!Signed: The YELLOW 😉 Challenge???
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Wolverine
it hardly does US any
good to have joint collaboration on a
Mars project with Ethiopia.Hmmm… Intalesding!
Yes, intalesding indeed… So, Ethiopian eh???
Now, why didn’t I think of it that way :)???the idea you seem
to be painting is that the whole
world must be involvedWell… isn’t that what the term
“international” really mean? And why shouldn’t
the Ethiopians be entitled???BTW, did you know that it was said
that, Ethiopians, are super astronomers that they
rivals even the mighty Egyptians???what vortex is saying is that there is little point in
such an excersice. space will always remain an oligopoly as long as only
a few handful of nations are willing to invest heavily in it.So sollie Vortex, Buddy buddy!
I’m not a very bright person and that means
that somehow and somewhere along the way that I failed
to see the telltale signs that you are Ethiopian.My apologies, and a thousand excuses – please!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Vortex
No, ISS is a total waste of American tax payer money for a stupid thing called “Internationalism”…there are things that the world should get together and work together for efficiency sake but there are things that they shouldn’t. Just like a world class chess player will never play seriously with a novice because you know where that will lead to… :rolleyes: There’s another phase…”look into the mirror” when it comes with these “certain nations” :rolleyes:If I understand you correctly:
🙂 Recpient of the bronze is hardly a novice
especially if it’s proven that it has the drive and the ability to bring the
best and the coolest to state of awakening. 🙂Maybe you/yours can do better :)!!!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Hyperwarp
J-7.9999++ 😀 😀
You can’t deny the fact that the FCK-1 is a 60/70s era
design and likely incorporate technology from this very same time
frame even in the latest versions that Taiwan now have.And yes, the FCK-1 was intended as a replacement for the obsolete
F-5 and that of the Starfighters, both of which are going out of favor because
of the introduction of the F-14s, 15s, 16s, and 18s at the time.The J-6s & J-7s was also the reason the FCK-1 was built and
there’s a logically good reason for why it is — the MiG-21/J-7 design was
timeless. It proves a formidable competitor, even to this very day.The objects of current J-7s, especially the “E” and “PG” are said by the
manufacturer to be competitors to the Mirages and early F-16s that the Island sports.
It is thus claimed that the FCK-1 is still a notch short of current day J-7s.The J-8s, as it was revealed, was designed specifically
as a high speed, high altitude, interceptor whose aim was to take on Soviet
nuke bombers that China had deep concerns at the time.The j-8’s role was different from those of the j-7. It’s also
different from even that of the present day J-10. In other words: J-7s, 8’s,
and the J-10, comparitively, are all apples and oranges!!!But, what do I know. I call it only as I read it!!!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Wolverine
they eventually will
when they figure out that going at
it alone is not possible.Probelem with the ISS is: It bars
certain nations from becoming members. And, that’s not very
internatinal or brotherly if you ask me.The ISS is more a monopoly
than it is an organization for the family
of all mankind if you ask me…
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by SD-10
The only thing common is that both are light Fighters. One is Made in China and the Other is Made in India. No point of comparision.As I said: Apples and oranges!!!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by plawolf
we had abt a hundred of these type of
discussions before. they usually ends up into a bashing
match. the general theme of things goes as:Honestly, I for one am quite in agreement with F-18 Hamburger
in that new thread are needed to replace some of the older ones such as
the FC-1 thread which now have well over 400 replies.When you have such huge responses, the theme or the central
object of the thread somehow gets lost and in turn it turns into a thread
of insults, fights, and arguments instead of what it’s trully about.
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by flex297
I agree with you fully. Being an astronaut is more than just two PhD. titles and tremendous knowledge of science for payload specialists or perfect piloting skills for the commander.. (or a perfect possibility to get laid every day by a massive attack of cute babes :))Those people know what they are doing, they were trained for this, they have met their own decision to accept the risk and they are enjoying high status among all of us. I would do the same if I had a chance. The loss of each astronaut is a tragedy, but the whole matter is considered as statistics only. Nobody said it would be free of charge. If you don;t want any risk, do not subscribe. That easy it is…
Did you people know that they maintain facilities such
as a mortuary, even a certain number of containers that goes
with the mortuary in vessels such luxury cruiseships???For lengthy space travel/exploration of a year or thereabouts,
it will have to be in group such as whole teams. Whole communities would be better still
if it can be arranged — if we give space travel a human touch.You will need doctors, engineers, the whole works, and
ships for such large groups or for whole communities alone would
be a challenge to the scientists faced with this dilemma.Therefore, true space travel is still a far ways off into
the distance. I wouldn’t put my hope too high on a solo or a duet or even
a threesome on a mission to Mars just quite soon yet.
HaleyoneshoemakRe: LCA vs FC-1
Originally posted by F-18 Hamburger
LCA intended to replace
MiG-21s FC-1 intended to replace J-6s
and J-7 (Clones of Mig-21)Well… Looking from the outside in and without
harbouring any biases or prejudices whatsoever, just plain honest
to God opinions, I’d say that’s just about right.However, marketability wise, I’d say the FC-1 definitely
commands greater sex appeal, and thus, will more likely capture a larger
audiences and as such, naturally greater purchase contracts. However, this is not to be
confused with aerodynamics because, aerodynamics is something that can only be
determine with wind tunnel records and experiements.The aim of the J-10, in my opinion,
are intended as an item to compete with A/C’s of the
F-14, 15, 16, and the f-18 category.However, all of this speculation waits
to be seen and proven still. They are, in a sense, all
apples and oranges for the time being.
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by PhantomII
Haley you still make no sense!J-6.99??
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read in my relatively short life I believe.
The Ching-Kuo was designed to counter planes like the J-7, and so in my opinion would easily be able to take on the Airguard. BVR is pretty self-explanatory…..but assuming the J-7 gets past that then a dogfight ensues and if the J-7 is fitted with a helmet-sight then perhaps the Ching-Kuo is in trouble, but that’s not to say the F-CK-1 is any slouch in a dogfight.
Said to be better than the F-5 in a knife-fight I wouldn’t count it out.
Never thought you and I
would cross with each other again
but what the heck…Politics aside, are you denying the fact that the IDF/FCK-1 or
whatever it’s called is indeed of Chinese inginuity and if so,
that the designation “J” as in fighter would indeed be an appropriate description
if in the languge the plane was developed and maufactured???Let’s understand each other better here.
You and I don’t have anything in common. Let’s just keep our
distance here so as to avoid confrontations.
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Scooter
When are we
going to see a J-10 at a
Western Airshow???My take:
If and when the Chinese feels confident enough their
product(s) will not be passed up for second or even third rated goods
simply because of this “Chinese toaster stigma” attached; then, I’m sure it
(J-10) will make its debute whereever market potentials exists.I mean why display your goods where it’s not appreciated simply
because there’s an air of bias attached or that hoovers over it??? That, IMHO, is the
reason why you see practically everything made under the Chinese sun that
has wings in it in shows offered inside China but not elsewhere…But, with the way the French seems
to be cozying up to the Chinese in this years Chinese New
Years festival as evident in the following:(None military/none aviation subject matters)
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2004/Jan/85465.htm
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2004/Jan/85444.htm
(Open at own risk and peril.)
I’d say a good opportunity exists here
that the “REAL” J-10 may make its debute in Frances
hottest airshow the next time it airs…
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Darth Vader
How many
people do you think will be on the
first mission?Well… Accordingly, when Captain Cook and
Columbus was sent aloaf into the great blue yonder, I believe the
crew was in terms of 60s and 70 sailors per ship.And, when the Chinese send their explorers
(Zhang He???) into the great unknown, I think it was in terms of hundreds
because it was a whole Chinese armada…And, for Mars and on durrations of a year or more per return trip???
I’d say it’s not ethically or humanely possible unless we can have complete
husband wive teams of nothing less than two dozen each minimums per ship, otherwise,
the crew will go bonkers before they make it half way to the red planet.This much I say: I definitely wouldn’t offer them any of
Hugh Hefner’s publications or offer them any luxuries such as pay per view
on cable if the trip’s going to be a a solo or a duet :).
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Hyperwarp
A serious question to ALL!
Would there be a copyright problem when posting
“airliners.net” pics over here?One thing I notice is this:
If the pix are not posted in this board, it will be posted
elsewhere and that’s a guarantee. Besides, if it’s not circulated for monetary
gains, then I doubt if it constitute an infringement violation.Aagin, only my opinion…
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