Originally posted by GarryB
though I think the latter is just about prestige and not worth much actual value.Prestige??? I disagree…
Although “PRESTIGE” is a word that can easily be dropped into
this “ACTUAL VALUES” equation, it however, is by no means a free ride for “all” who
are involved in the realization of this human dream and objective.Like the Americans, prestige is something that you work and work darn
hard for and not something which will simply lands on your labs. To accomplish this,
you have to have the creative instincts necessary to deliver as promise….Prestige is no fun and game. It comes attached
with problems and obstacles — problems and obstacles which baffles
and challenges even the best and the migtiest….Examples:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_dangers_040120.htmlIn other words… Prestige is not simply just all talk and no action!!!
Let me help with this thread….
Let me help and contribute a bit to this thread….
These Chinese PD idiots!!!
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200401/19/eng20040119_132968.shtml
Seems here they didn’t even know India is already a Superpower…
And, she will soon rival that of the Americans…
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040120111951.zxw9btaq.html
… IF LEFT UNTREATED!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Originally posted by google
Haley, I asked the webmaster to delete your thread because it was denigrating into an Indian vs. Pakistani flamewar. I didn’t want that to exacerbate the situation into the horrible flamewars we had just a few months back.Quite understandable…
Can’t win ’em all, can we?
http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20186
Anyhow, cheers friend!!!!😉 😉 😉
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My Dear Wolf…
Please bear in mind that you are not the only one with the experience.
It’s a sign of the times here that it’s almost a guaranteed thing that, even if you start
something beneign here that someone will ultimately come along and smere it with dirt & filth
to the point where your posts will ultimately disappear into thin air…
Accept it… It’s life!!!!
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Wow!!!
Man… this one’s threatening!!!

(Source: China.com)
Originally posted by Vortex
oh boy….talk about ignorance…:rolleyes: All in one shot heh? :rolleyes:If I’m reading your comment
correctly, ‘texy. Then, I agree with
you wholeheartedly, Man….I mean, why all the commotion when it’s over
nothing more but just a single shot??? I mean, it’s not as if the Chinese
are the only ones that can mannage that you know…The Americans have done it! The Russians
have proven themselves!! And, all Asians, i.e., Koreans and such,
will undoubtedly of course soon follow…Just can’t understand the
world and the commotions surounding
these these days I tell ya!!!
And this whatmachacallit in Pakistan! Maybe???

Bookies offer heavy odds against Mars landing
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Bookies offer heavy odds against Mars landing
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/15/offbeat.mars.reut/index.html
“British bookmakers William Hill said Thursday they are
offering 50 to 1 odds against a man walking on Mars by December 31, 2030.
Bush announced plans on Wednesday to send humans back to
the moon as early as 2015 and eventually to Mars.”
Well… here’s where I’ll put my 2 bits…
I’ll take that 50-1 odd. But, I’ll wager
that it’ll be an international effort and all nations of the world,
large and small, will be a player in it…
It’s not going to be a purely “GWB/American legacy”!!!!
Originally posted by PLA
Good for India to be invited but is it only for the cash?My opinion:
Wrong… Though I don’t like getting into the politics
of things, I’d say it’s more about the forming of a NECESSARY
& DEPENDABLE ALLIANCE in the Asian continent!!!It’s a strategic move of sort…
Originally posted by Vortex
I think one have to know about history before making those kind of judgements or insenuations. Bush’s father also made a pledge to go to Mars and no doubt almost every president have made space exploration one of the major issues…This was more urgent now because of the Columbia accident, and even more so due to the damning report on the accident. For a long time NASA was suspected of being too bureaucratic and inefficient, but sometimes a president have to wait until something happens or else the political pressure against changes will be too great (meaning any president given this chance, albeit as a result of a tragedy, and didn’t do anything is beyond tragedy). If the shuttle didn’t suffer the recent blow, then NASA will be as it usually is, hyper defensive on everything it does. Notice that the USAF’s space program is much much more successful when it come to launching things into space….why? Because of the services, the USAF is the youngest and easiest to be influenced by “civilians”…relatively of course. But NASA? People have no idea about dealing with certain scientists…. 🙁
Beyond all this, any of you ever consider that it was within a certain group of people (ie, within NASA itself) that ask the President to do this, not the other way around?….but no, the usual focus in the wrong area/person due to prejudices… :rolleyes:Never would I have thought that I would jump in and
agree with the comments of the above, but, there’s always a first time
for everything, and I guess this is one of those times!!!“If it weren’t for JFK’s foresights and if it weren’t for
his bold move, mankind would most probably still be running around in
hog farms trying to figure out how make ends meet!!!Presidents do make the world go round and round!!!
Originally posted by Indian1973
its pointless for countries to compete at this exploratory stage
in space. Its time to shed national pride for once and form a
“galactic federation” consisting of anyone who can contribute something – robots, computers, rockets, space labs, space capsules, medicine and do joint missions to mars and the moon.
otherwise its too much resources wasted to get the same photo
and collect the same samples.“galactic federation my take:”
It’s a face saving thing for each and every nation who have
its feet deep inside this Mars watering hell hole, and as such, independent
Mars programs by these nations will eventually and simultaneously be
initiated along with the “starwars galactic federation” ones.Economics will dictate that a “galactic federation” sorts,
http://www.spacedaily.com/2004/040115180209.i43dfs7n.html
much like that of the UN, will eventually be needed if man is to really traverse the universe.
Originally posted by Arthur
No matter how much i like space exploration, i don’t think the US can afford such a project on it’s own. The dollar is collapsing under the US’ trade and budget deficit as it is.Unless the project will be paid the GWB-way: lowering taxes, and increase banknote production!
😀Black Texas gold :)… Plenty of it where GW comes from!!!
Originally posted by Billy Bishop
In an echo of the Cold War space race, Russia said that it had the know-how to relaunch its space exploration programs, a day after Washington laid out ambitious plans to return to the Moon and press on to Mars.“Russia can overtake USA,” an anchorwoman on state television said Thursday, echoing comments the previous day by a top Russian space official who said that Moscow is capable of placing a man on Mars within 10 years at one tenth of the cost of reported US plans.
“Russia can overtake USA,”
But, with their deep knowledge in space exploration,
and even their expertists in Mars expeditions, why haven’t they been
invited to contribute to GW’s Grand Mars scheme???Anyway, I can definitely see the Russians
participating and competing not only in Salt Lake city in figure
skating & Hockey, but, in Mars as well :)!!!
Talking about freedom fighters… Here’s one from the East — Singapore: