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  • in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1184026
    Chox
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    Moggy, enough already – I’ve sent a complaint to the Administrator of this site regarding your comments. I, nor indeed anyone else, should expect to receive this kind of offensive attitude from a website Moderator.

    Bubbles, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Your post doesn’t even make sense as far as I can determine.

    in reply to: Mystery Canberra – any ideas? #1184029
    Chox
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    John, I assume that your new “greenhouse” canopy will be rather better than the Cammet one, regardless of their two DV windows!

    What amazes me is that Cammmet produced new control surfaces and yet they didn’t produce anything to replace the bizarre wing tip shapes or tip tanks. When I mentioned this to the Cammet guy, he claimed he’d never heard any comments that these parts in the Airfix kit were in any way deficient! I sometimes wonder where these guys get their information and advice from!

    Postfade, as I said earlier, in the magazine article from which I took the photo, the aircraft is on detachment with the MRF’s PR3 so it was evidently being employed on met work of some sort, but heaven-knows what. On the basis of the comments made on this thread, I’m guessing that the bomb aimer’s glazing may have been purely incidental and that it had nothing to do with the work on which the aircraft was being employed at the time, circa 1974. I can only asssume that the modification was made for an earlier test programme of some sort, but I can’t imagine what. As mentioned by Scorpion, an upwards-looking camera mount might be the answer although it sounds like a pretty risky business, positioning a camera (and the aircraft carrying it) below and behind an aircraft dropping stores!

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1184655
    Chox
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    Excuse me? I was trying to help by offering you some answers Nashio!

    Moggy, it isn’t “up to me” to do anything. I have provided you with information which both I an other authors have used, and this is what we believe to be as close to the truth as we can get. I don’t appreciate being accused of generating “hot air” and if you choose to perpetuate the notion that you somehow know better than the rest of us, then I suggest (as I said before) that you furnish us with some books or magazine features of your own, as I’m sure we’d all be delighted to have our misconceptions put-right. However, in the absence of such publications, could I please ask you to refrain from making offensive comments directed at myself as I don’t appreciate it nor (I suspect) do other readers of this thread.

    Enjoy your thread – I trust other readers will make their own judgements and look elsewhere.

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1184702
    Chox
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    Naturally you can have all kinds of views on the subject but the “accepted wisdom” which I and other authors have seen no reason to dispute, is that the Vulcan raids were (at least overall) a great success. They did have an effect on Argentine fast jet disposition, indeed that was the first and most direct result of the first Black Buck mission. Likewise the runway was continually operational but not capable of supporting fast jets and that (at least as far as any official word on the subject goes) was the intention. As I’ve already said (and as you intimated) the runway could have been rendered completely unuseable if there had been any will do do so, but there evidently wasn’t.

    As for having any effect on the Argentine troops on the islands, one would assume that this was never a primary intention. The Vulcan, as always, was essentially a strategic weapon and was intended to have an effect on overall Argentine planning, rather than the localised operations on the islands themselves. The Vulcan missions were all about disabling the runway for fast jets, degrading radar capability, and convincing the Argentines that the mainland was not invunerable from attack too (although in reality there was no practical possibility of mounting attacks directly on the mainland).

    It’s a bit unfair to ever suggest that the Navy was “doing all of the work” because of course that’s simply not true in any way. The Army, Navy, Marines and RAF all played different parts in the conflict and it would be unfair (and wrong) to suggest that any particular branch of the armed forces did any more than any other. It would also be wrong to suggest that any of the conflict should be looked at in terms of giving the RAF “a boost” as if the operation was some sort of media circus. There was no competition for the limelight, indeed the whole conflict was subject to suffocating MoD control which prevented a great deal of reporting from getting-back to the UK until long after the actual events. The Black Buck missions were hurredly put-together in response to a requirement, not because the RAF wanted some newspaper headlines.

    As for the Harrier, it was of course fundamental to the success of the operation but this was largely by accident rather than design. Contrary to Sharkey Ward’s ramblings, the Harrier wasn’t an ideal aircraft for the theatre but it was the only suitable aircraft available with which to mount an air campaign. Had it not been available (and of course it wouldn’t have been, had the conflict taken place a few years later) then we would have been forced to rely upon the use of a US carrier (and presumably the air assets carried on it), although quite how this could have been put into practise (both logistically and politically) is still unclear. But the offer was certainly made and in different circumstances we may well have needed it as without air superiority the operation would never have succeeded, regardless of the Navy’s involvement, significant or otherwise.

    in reply to: Mystery Canberra – any ideas? #1184850
    Chox
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    Page, my mistake, it’s Alley Cat Resin who have the SC9 listed in 72nd and 48th scale, although I don’t think they’re released yet, or listed on their web site, but they’re noted in their advert in SAMI magazine.

    http://www.a2zeemodels.co.uk

    in reply to: Mystery Canberra – any ideas? #1184854
    Chox
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    Think Scorpion may have the answer there then, although it doesn’t explain what the aircraft was doing on detachment with the MRF’s PR3, but I guess the odd nose glazing might have been merely coincidental by this stage.

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1184860
    Chox
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    Nashio, XL426 was, technically-speaking, the last “operational” Vulcan, used for display flying, although it had been used for continuation flying by 50 squadron prior to their disbandment.

    XH560 was also used for display flying briefly (seem to recall it was used at a Coningsby show for example). XH558 was assigned to Marham as a BDRT airframe but an examination of the books revealed that the aircraft had more remaining hours than XH560, so a swap was made, and XH558 was taken back from Marham and XH560 sent there in its place. XL426 was sold to Southend (subsequently painted in its strange paint scheme thanks to the availability of paint from East Midlands which protects the aircraft even if it does look rather odd) and 558 was sent-off to Kinloss to be “tarted-up” as a display aircraft, hence the absence of the ECM intake (when the HDU was removed it was never replaced) and the ghastly paint scheme which kept the aircraft in good condition, but bore no relation to any paint scheme ever carried by operational Vulcans! One would assume that there must have been a decent stock of white paint at Kinloss… what a shame…

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1184870
    Chox
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    I was merely eliminating any confusion between fact and your unsupported conjecture

    I’m inclined to suggest that if you’re somehow in the posession of any “facts” which contradict the accepted wisdom on this subject, then maybe you should write a few books on the subject then? I’m sure we’d be delighted to be furnished with a more accurate appraisal;)

    in reply to: Mystery Canberra – any ideas? #1185155
    Chox
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    The canopy mould is almost ready to run

    rah!:)

    Page, I seem to think someone’s already done it – Cammet possibly?

    in reply to: Mystery Canberra – any ideas? #1185517
    Chox
    Participant

    It’s somewhere in the States but I don’t know where. I pulled it from an old article in Air Classics but the author spectacularly fails to actually say anything about the two aircraft – just a few paragraphs of general blurb about the Canberra and no explanation as to where they were and what they were doing there. There’s a DC-6 parked next to one of the aircraft so I assume it’s an airport somewhere, perhaps Nevada judging by the scenery.

    As I said, I assume it was some sort of met work, as it was with the MRF’s PR3, but it’s certainly an aircraft I’ve never seen before!

    Anyway John, ignore the bomb aimer’s blister and concentrate on that canopy (*hint hint*)- I wish Airfix had looked at a few more photographs like this recently!:D

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1185522
    Chox
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    I know what you’re getting-at David, and I can see why you’d draw that conclusion, but the best evidence, based on everything that I gathered when writing my books, is that there was never any intention to destroy the runway at any stage, just render it useless for fast jet operations. As you mentioned before, if there was any appetite to completely destroy the runway this could have been done at any stage, courtesy of the Harriers.

    I don’t think anyone has tried to measure the comparitive value of the different assets used in the conflict – obviously they all played their part – that’s why they were sent in the first place. But likewise it’s fair to say that regardless of the various maritime exploits, the campaign would have ended very differently had air superiority not been established, and the Vulcans certainly did a great deal in support of that aim.

    in reply to: Mystery Canberra – any ideas? #1185722
    Chox
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    Well not quite that long – photo appears to have been taken around 1974. I agree that some sort of sextant might be the answer. It appears to have been on some sort of meteorological research detachment but as to what, it’s a mystery. Certainly a very odd looking machine.

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1185726
    Chox
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    Indeed David, a Harrier could have done the job but that wouldn’t have demonstrated Britain’s “strategic” capability. It had the desired effect because some Argentine AF assets on the mainland were immediately moved. As for the intention, it’s as I said previously – there was no way that more than one bomb could have hit the runway if the stick is dropped at that kind of angle. Obviously, it maximises your chances of getting one bomb on the runway but there’s no possibility of achieving anything more than that. Therefore the notion that the mission was in some way a failure is entirely specious. The job was done perfectly.

    Moggy, thank you for your kind comment! I’ll stick with my position if that’s okay with you;)

    in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1185869
    Chox
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    I’ll put my Vulcan Books Author hat on and say that the Black Buck missions were rather more effective than they have often been given credit for. The chief aim of the exercise was to convince Argentina that Britain had the ability (and possibly the intention, although in fact no such intention ever existed) to bomb the Argentine mainland. This served not only as a “wake up call” that Britain was deadly serious about retaking the Falklands, but (more importantly) prompted the Argentines to move some of their assets in order to defend the mainland, thus removing them from the Falklands theatre completely. In reality there was never any serious effort to destroy the runway completely as of course it was to become a vital asset for British forces.

    The much-used supposition that the first raid was a disappointment is of course nonsense. The runway was attacked at an oblique angle so that one bomb was almost certain to hit it, but this also meant that no more than one bomb was ever likely to hit it – and that’s precisely what happened. The notion that the mission was less-than successful was largely due to the usual hype being spewed-out by Sharkey Ward who, for obvious reasons, seemed to think that the entire campaign could have been handled by the FAA, bless him.

    As ever, the Vulcan’s effectiveness was in demonstrating what could be achieved without necessarily doing it – and that, in a nutshell, is what the Vulcan was designed for in the first place!

    in reply to: Gloster Meteor T7 at Bruntingthorpe #1186528
    Chox
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    I thought this aircraft was being restored to flying condition? Does this mean the Meteor Flight project is scrubbed now?

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