Yaaaaa man take it easy

Well if an f15 can reach 9gs at mach 1.5, i dont know what the hell are the supersonic agility concepts in the f22 (please dont start with that loose energy), everybody knows that gs are basically structural limits, lift comes very important (critical) in low speed high gs (very very close turns) at supersonic structural limits are more important that aerodynamics( in maneuvres), because you have an huge kinetical energy, so you can turn very very high gs with an very very high (turn rate-BAD-sorry) radius (btw aoa limits in nowdays fighters are 10º at mach 2 and 15º at mach 1.5, that aoa is an structural limit), but the planes at supersonic are stabilicied by high pressure shock wave and that increase stress into the airframe, the f22 aerodynamics are optimiced for speed (supercruiser) and structure-controls are optimicied for agility.

Ogami if you think in a different way youre free man…freeeeee!!!!! 😀 we can live with those diferences 😉 , take it easye, yes i was a bit arrogant, but that was because an member start to be arrogant with me an other even when i was educated to deal with him, but in the long way i dont think that it was intentional, so yesterday was yesterday, and today is another day 😎 😉 🙂 .

tooo much “super” in this post….

well, well, well, all the calvary had come….. :rolleyes:

comon, comon all the roman empire….like radiohead said 🙂

That low level speed of the foxbat was discarted in the gulf war, there still a lots of myths about that plane, maybe that speed is with missiles or loaded…

I have explained why the horizontal stress is not so important in an structure (force distribution), at low level the air is more dense and induce more (a looot) drag, thats the main reason of low speed of planes at such heigh….

And about that “Gents…you should not argue with our super-expert “Over-G”. I mean, can you remember his expertise on Structural Welding/Riveting last time”, hell, i was the only that explained specifically the behavior of such unions, i was not concentrated in the industrial process, only in the propieties and strengh union, none can denie my effords to make an more scientific tecnical analysis in all the disscusions, not only saing “that is the official report” or “i saw in my expert book” without any analysis…. :rolleyes:

The YF-22A was able to perform maneuvers when it was far beyond the stall angle of attack

Hell, thats what i have been saying in all the threads, the TV only works to mantain high aoa, but not in the turn rate :rolleyes:

could perform bank-to-bank rolls at speeds as low as 80 knots and angles of attack as high as 60 degrees

Why not????, but the TV are nothing to do in (only to sustain high aoa)

The two-dimensional nozzle vectors thrust 20 degrees up and down for improved aircraft agility

Why not?????, but theres not much diference (i have explained that a million of times :rolleyes: )

And dont try to compare me with anyone, i like to do my job alone… 😎

This is my lat post in this thread, i dont want other laaaaaaarge discusion with cavernicolars….. 😀

are the rusians applying ceramics to their diafragms and turbine blades?

Hmmm, intersting, there are kevlar aplications in turbine fans???404???, no matter if the engine is russian or western..

The next outing

Comon you also said youre pretty wrong “facts”, hes the next after you :rolleyes:????, dont be arrogant…..

but because the TV nozzles take work out of the horizontal slabs in pitch leaving them do do more for roll control

Comon thats is not a big difference…..

A MiG-25 is subsonic at sea level

Comon another myth…….

horizontal stress is not a big challenge……

Good bye…..

And what would be your source for the F/A-22’s speed and G limits? You do realize that the F/A-22 is capable of maneuvering like this due to thrust vectoring, right?

Well SOC for me raptors TV doesnt help much in the maneuvres other missinterpretation is the “ability” to roll with TV, there too close of the gravity center and together, but the raptor have an strong structure, and have poweful control surfaces, btw the shockwawe increase the radar signature :confused: ????, please any could help me????

By the way what is the eurofighter suprsonic g limit???

Obviusly, but i mean about an evolution, the problem are the research cost, maybe the klimov guys dont want to start from the begining and change their industrial process, klimov have made an supercrusier engine??????