Man the final lock doesnt mean that the radar didnt pick the plane earlier, that was a harsh close combat , just look that 0.3 mach, if the pilot was such a sucker, most probably he wanted a nice pic of the 22s
Correct , dozer put it down pretty good . Maybe he ued the Apg-79 from 0.5 mile away…LOL
Well, the point is the the plane was locked with the radar, , u know pilots are trained with a lot of dependence of radar guidance, how the f-18 managed to reach the 22s six?, im sure that wasnt a 0.5 mile maneouvre, and looking for the mach number seems that there were some maneouvres arround
And we have these rules…they are playing with rules, sometimes these rules are “follow the straight line, and leave raptors to kill u”, and then come the press and say “wow raptors rules”…i dont know what went wrong to that hornet pilot that didnt went on the straight line, but im sure that to search a plane, to avoid to reach it ur six and to lock down on a gun , isnt a 0.5 mile maneouvre
provide incredible insight into the stealth performance (RF AND IR) of F-22 within “pilot’s eyeball” distances
Lol, tell that to that hornet pilot, ha! another codeone pearl 😉
Hm , i dont know, really i still think that with such weight, the russians wont drop the flanker wing design and swith to delta so easely, and taking in mind that indo/ruskies will/are use/using carriers, well, a delta isnt so brigth idea
We must wait, the wing of the model is quite different of the most delta shaped of the saturn thingy, i think they will go with some kind of flanker wing, but that fuselage layout isnt bad idea
Just returned to the thread and saw the f-22 front pic, is interesting that actually is the weapon bay that forces the design to show so many surfaces pointing downwards reducing it stealthness, specially the nouse section must be a radar lightbulb without ram, if the pakfa follows the other pattern, they can do more a f-23 nose layout (more planar), im surprised that the 22s lower surface actually isnt flat
Ok, this is interesting, because the layot that is above the f-22s one is the same i was thinking to be the most practical a while ago, from where that solution comes? -which proposal/design-, actually, if is well designed it even dont need doors
I think also that these folding doors are a bad solution, better to me would be just a sliding door, i never will understand wht they went to these fragile/complicated folding doors instead a more simpler sliding door
Sometimes engineers become tech fancys…
F-22 is in service , has been for quite some time , and F-35 is on record for its EIS date.
Not according to the pilots . Raptor pilots claim a clear advantage in detection against legacy platforms aswell as against AESA radars (F-15 AESA) .
1- The first was about the pakfa, man..
2-Yes, there are also examples with the grippen, Ef, rafale, etc…but all these cases arent because the incredible lower RCS, but mostly because datalink tactics radar performance, passive receptors RWR, and really the f-22 has a far better physical performance over the f-15 at heigh and speed (BVR strategic arena), because they were caught on surprise doesnt mean instantaneously that was because the lower rcs
Yeah yeah ..the stealth thingy again….nice marketing campaign
Well stealth techs on f-22/35 – and surely (if it come on service …someday, lol) pakfa- arent to make them “invisible” to radar, nor to give them that surprise thingy, are just to increase its ECM performance
BVR tacticts never were succefull unless you have numeric advantage , that is tons of missiles to fire
I still dont understand why stealth ships designs (including US ones) use faceted concepts intead that gaussian thingy :rolleyes: …ahhh yeah no supercomputers thingy for ships ……:rolleyes:
The 1.42 still flies? never have seen any big display of it, only take off and landing, never any agility display
Still that plane is on testing?
“conceptually leagues ahead of it’s contemporary Eurocanards.”
Well, Rafale aerodynamics are very advanced, Typhoon design is simpler, i would say that Rafale design is a match of the 1.42
i find interesting that tendency of russian designs (on both 142 and berkut) to increase the distance of the vertical tails, so they merge with the wing/lift body, not touching the main fuselage
1.5 to 2 tonnes heavy compared to an F-15A.
f15a 12 tons , f-14 18 tons ……empty are 6 tons dif. thats a lot, but still i dont think the f-15 would have meet the requirements for the navy w/o making huge compromises -i migth miss interpeted your post..maybe u tried to sy that after navalizing the f-15 , still the f-14 would have been 2-1 tons heavier, well i wouldnt know –
23 is right in some things,wrong on others
the f-14 was meant to be an interceptor, the f-15 was better as dogfigther, the f-15a had far better climb and TW, the 15c have also better g-limit, but at heigh the 15s become fully combat capable in the end 80s, due new engines
Now we have the f-14, a better plane for high speed interception, and better at heigh
The deal of the 14 was the aim-54, that missile wasnt meant to take dogfigthers, was a long range interception missile, with that you need good heigh and speed performance, the f-14 wins there
Well 90% of my posts are about tech problems and aplications of lasers…..90% of yours is about market and money….
Ok…for the health of the thread -and because i dont want it to turn this thread on prices of oil and gas and dollar value- let that debate on other thread…, still some departaments shows profit others arent so good…some are more strategic for US defense, but lets say you are right just to finish this crap
I wont start a thread bout sales and that stuff, but there were cuts on the f22,f35,b2 etc.. sure if the SU would be arround the spending would be a lot more..the 90s spacecom marked helped a lot, also i wont start with the dollar value, i think that the *expected* profit was much larger
About lasers, the system has intrinsic problems due it nature, isnt that you can “upgrade” it a lot, lasers have their advantages but still is too optimist to think lasers will replace other defence systems , what im saying on posts above are practical problems, isnt something you can fix with better electronics or manufacturing, for example i dont care a lot of the heating issue -seems most ppl thinks is the main issue-, no that isnt the main issue, the space shuttle was studied and built, because “it was the future”…..there you go
But of course cheese cutting is always a option 🙂
“Whats the name of the fela who couldnt go with saying DEW’s over @ ACIG?? Ahhh KP , i sure miss his reading . Serious reading at that too….”
hmm sorry dont understand
I dont think lasers are a waste of money..but im sure lasers wont end in the death-ray that most ppl think
Sharing money with the aerospacial industry isnt bad, especially in this times of low sales and high debts, and in the end can lead some investigations for sensor tracking and other gizmos
From the start i said there iis nothing wrong with it..but if u wanna be a moron go and protest alone 🙂
Guys you are crying for such little thing…sometimes the factor behind the most terrible accidents is just BAD LUCK, who knows what maneovre was done? the wind direction?, the performance of the gun at that moment? the engine performance?
bad luck guys, bad luck
Again….
[And of course they know…but there are differences in what they know and what we see on news or reports
there has been always wasteful researchs to be done only to share some public money to some industries, that is nothing new -and isnt bad-
but dont lose your hopes sferrin :)…sure the chesse cutter plus2000 will be in the market soon…:), and with luck it will come mounted on a 747 🙂
And of course they know…but there are differences in what they know and what we see on news or reports
there are many billionarie projects that ended on nothing, lets see what happens with this one, but what i say is that lasers arent like sci-fi movies, so an airborn laser will have their limitations, and wont be the ultimate defensive plataform, there is a tendency to overrate the things in the pop culture, specially in the aviation fan community
i have seen laser interceptions..and it take a while to do the job..again thats relative to which frecuency you are using -and the distance-, an UV laser is more efficient than an IR one, but even high frecuency lasers have their issues
the 747 with s300 was a light comment but a missile plattaform dont sound bad, because u can intercept simultaneously many targets