similarities:

1. they both have wings
2. they both have tails
3. they are both jets
4. they have landing gear with wheels
5. they are both aircraft and both fly
6. do we need to keep going on with the list……???! similarities are endless!

😀 😀 😀 , i didnt read this, that was good

sferrin say that the proyect used the A5 as foxbat basepoint

Mikoyan allegedly returned from the 1959 Paris Airshow and told someone to sketch a new layout similar to the Vigilante

what you say is only a comparation, not that the foxbat or even foxbat intakes were based in the A5

You’d have to ask Mikoyan.. . .but I guess he’s dead.

:confused: :confused: :confused: …… :rolleyes:

well, back to the topic, there are looots of pakfa threads, the true is that the russian dont have their pakfa, but the true is also that the cold was isnt anymore here

so its a bussisness, the problem is how to design a product cheap, practical and compatible with the market

now none have the money to spend in a 300 million machine -specialy one that is veeery overated-, the f35 and f22 airframe numbers are falling, the last russians declarations of the definition of a simpler and less complicated design are a good sign

is probable -only probable- that the russian industry could be in a better position than the european or the US, because these two last were compromised from the start with a specific airframe

but we must wait and see, again it isnt a “national pride” competition, is about how to make money

well, well,well, whatever you want man…

look this is endless, i mean again, and again, and again, im not a fan, you can believe what you want, no problem man, i respect you position, i have posted my arguments, im tired with this.

SOC,sferin you guys could have the last word, i really dont care….

good bye

sferin, again….

man i explain you with chined nose you avoid lateral component of the sw, is the same problem with the 2 seat BB, you create other lateral forces, you must understand that a side force in the nose has big momentum, because the nose in looooong

the problem is that you think that aerodesign is to put stabilizators for everything,thats ridicoulus, why to put stabilizators when you can avoid those problems with a better nose design???, dont be ridicoulus.

nooo, SOC, i only try to be more objetive, because you know, some machines or inventions just become in national simbols, but the people dont understand at least a little percentage of how works and in which pysichs laws are based, i have read some books of that kind, and i know that there are fantastic tales about the performance, and how are advanced, etc… also the “steath” word have become in a fashion, and that sells

now isnt a problem for me if you want to believe in such books, i already show you some contradictions about how stealth is the f12-sr71 or the a12, now if you dont want to believe my arguments, isnt my problem, but i have always read in this forum some arguments that arent real, and again are based in these books, but i respect all the opinions

in the BB chines are an aerodynamic feature not stealth, again you only see details, the AIAA books are commercial books, its a joke, not???, this is the book???…

http://www.aiaa.org/store/storeproductdetail.cfm?ID=228