incredible confussion;

the flogger ML-F corner speed (obviusly lower than the posted above) is at 8gs, the f14 corner speed is at 6.5gs (and is much higher that the miraculous 300knots!!!), that is the max f14 structural g limit, an what the hell is 7.5gs at mach2!!!! ahhh Mr Spike….., now its obvius that the 23 have much better turn at medium dogfigh speeds (above 400knots) better climb and acceleration

the 23s was always considered by russians pilots as an machine simpler an easy to fly, i have read so much cuantify of stupit “facts”, like that the 23s is harder to mantein than the f14s :rolleyes:

again with the same, the f14 -even F4!!- is better to anything that is not american (tornado-flogger)..bla,bla,bla, anyway i had read such cuantify of xperts “facts” that is one more ray in the tiger .

go america, gooo!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

incredible cuantify of scrap posted in this las page….

is hard to construct 1200 titanium planes for that flight requierements

is complicated, isnt sooo simple;

which plane can sustain better speed at better heigh???, the range at such speed/heigh???, the maneuverability at such speed/heigh???, the EF have an supersonic agility, thats very important, but how much energy it could lose???, is practical???, sadly i dont have numbers…

maybe the EF have better engines and the Rafale have better aerodynamics, maybe, but thats also relative again with speed/heigh, electronics are an versatile factor (but not the fbw-airframe relation).

buahhh, again with this, even the mf version is better than the f14, it have better climb and t/w and at normal dogfight speeds can turn better with more energy (8gs), now, an f14 can reach the f15 six ???why not???, if the eagle pilots go into very low speed fight or at heigh -hell even f106 can do that if they stay high- depend on tactics and pilot skill, the 23 is an small plane it cant carry 4 r23s, hell even 2 aa7s with 2 aa8s an respected load.

Reality is not black and white. Fast opinions are not the best always

hmmm, 6.5 g limit and 10km/minute initial climb, not???

whats the rafale supersonic manoeuverability??
ans why some guys say that the EF aerodynamics are more advanced than the rafale???, and which plane is more unstable???

the engineering is the science of the pesimism, the blended wing present some drag problems by the leading edge ratio, the leading edge angle, the poor fuselage length and the exagerated aspect ratio, no doubt the lift is enormous -if the gravity center is calibrated with the backwarded lift vector-, but such design could be efective only at low subsonic speeds (below M0.6-0.5) i think that as a cargo plane is an very interesting alternative but not for passengers