I agree up to a point in that there should be a clear collecting policy, however I think unfortunately the viewing public are increasingly becoming more sophisticated and want ever changing exhibits.
Absolutely true, but who are we to deny future generations our own past. A lot of people have this notion that museums are there to entertain, and that we measure their success through increase visitor numbers. The logic behind this is that in order to increase visitor numbers we create an attraction which will appeal to the masses – even if a few unsightly and not that important (in the eyes of many, but not all) airframes get scrapped.
I don’t know of any other sector of our heritage, were an exhibit can be cast aside because it’s not in vogue. In truth our museums are tasked with protecting for future generations our past – the good, the bad, the ugly and the oversized. It matters not if the VC10 or Boeing 707 are dismantled and hidden away (most museums store more exhibits than they put on display) as long as they are preserved for future generations. The new museum at Cosford will succeed in protecting part of our heritage, but it will also fail other airframes that (if true) might be scrapped, all because they are in the way and might distract from Cosford’s new glossy imagine.
I thought we’ve learnt from past mistakes. Because of mistakes made by many there are numerous aircraft – some historic and other innovative – that I’m denied. I honestly think that the funding and the HLF should be approached in a different manner. Its should be easier for museums and individuals to secure funding – not just for the capitol projects, but also for moving airframes and for restoring individual airframes. I don’t know of a single aircraft restoration that’s been funded by the HLF (other than those earmarked for AirSpace or Cosford)?
Hold on, sorry but I’m a bit busy, but after scanning a few of the above messages, is someone saying that some of the civilian airliners at Cosford could be scrapped?
Okay, this sounds bad. I hope we are not going to have a repeat of the Hendon Beverley mess. If these aircraft are to be cut up, there is an alternative, which should have happened at Hendon.
Basically we can either scrap these large airframes or we can take them apart, place them in custom made wooden cases or tressles and move them into one of the surplus hangars on the airfield. I’d agree to that, but not scrapping. Cosford is big enough to house the VC10, BAC1-11 and Boeing 707 if carefully unbolted and treated for long term storage. This maybe the best alternative to scrapping them AND it would save the RAFM a lot of mud slinging in the long run (I mean its been 15 years since the Beverley was scrapped at Hendon and there is still a lot of ill feeling about that event).
Then, maybe in a few years time, when another home could be found they would still exist. If the Beverley at Hendon had been stored onsite, it would have been moved and restored by now. You cannot do that with an aircraft that has been scrapped.
Just out of interest, how much did these aircraft sell for?
Finish my documentary on Bomber Command and start on another. Attend at least one airshow this year and Cosford.
2. Hollywood has absolutely no involvement at all
For years I’ve harboured the idea of producing a 12 part documentary series on British Aviation – the best bit being I’d exclude totally any mention of the Americans – pure bliss.
Regarding the buried MkV Halifax, the information was passed on by a leading member of a Halifax appreciation / action group – someone whose helped so many organisations regarding this aircraft type. I doubt he would tell a porky. He did tell me the site was difficult to access due to the owners (possibly foreign). There may also be toxic waste buried on the site. Also, the site flooded a few years ago. That’s all I know. I guess someone could find out which MkVs were written off on take off from a factory site or such other.
You know what gets me is when groups like the Central Band of the RAF play the theme to The Dambusters. They play it too fast. I like it slow – more moving spiritually. I’ve also spent the last two years trying to get a rock band in ‘ull to play a rock version. No one’s interested.
As for remaking the film – why bother. We know its going to be crap – unless you get Spielberg to direct it. Name me one good remake…?
There’s a Halifax in a lake near Berlin – complete with bomb load and the crew survived. There is also a MkV Halifax buried in the UK. The pilot retracted the U/C too soon and he skidded along the runway before ending up in a field. The aircraft had just been serviced. I understand they stripped it clean then dumped it into a pit (made when they were filling sandbags). It was later buried. Now the chap who told me this is well known to a lot of people and he isn’t the kind of person who would I believe spread such rumours (I Hope). He won’t tell me where the aircraft is buried, but the site has not been built upon and during the war the airfield was used to refurbish Halifax aircraft.
Regarding those aircraft which ditched. We know roughly where hundreds ditch (through ORBs). We also know which areas are more likely to keep an aircraft intact. Survey work is expensive, but if you just sonar scan, you’d know through searching this way, which sites were prime for further investigating (ROV or divers). The problem is in securing a really good scanner.
You know, what really pisses me off. Assholes who win the lottery (or those who don’t claim their winnings). Not one lottery winner I know has a keen interest in our aerodrome or aviation heritage. As some of you know I’m keen to see former RAF Driffield preserved and guest who won £18m last year on the lottery – some TESCO workers from Driffield. I bought my last lottery ticket on New Year’s Eve. You can tell I’m bitter.
AND ANOTHER THING…
Oh, I got distracted – where was I????
My thoughts…
WOW, a Whitley…
True, I think a lot more could be done to survey the bottom of our seas. According to Flypast the Americans are thinking about recovering a lost Clipper (quick someone help me out with a name). True, surveying can be expensive, but depending on how you go about it, you could end up with a list of suitable aircraft wrecks to recover. I would imagine that most smaller boats can easily be fitted with sonar, while an ROV will make the need for a diver (very expensive) almost not needed. The thing is you know the Royal Navy and other Navies probably know where the best wrecks are, as they scan the bottom of most seas, anyway.
Hello
does anyone have a contact email address or URL for:
Tex LaVallee/LaVallee Cultural & Aeronautical Collection, St. Chrysostome, Quebec, Canada?
Cheers
It would be good to see another Belfast in preservation (just in case…) I heard that the IWM were originally offered the last surviving airworthy example, all they needed to do was pay the £4000 fuel bill and they’d have had a new exhibit for FREE, but they declined the offer.
Check out http://www.driffieldaerodrome.co.uk/heritage/english-heritage-pages/english-heritage01.htm (Part of my website), which details all those buildings which are now listed and also my concerns for the future of those that are not.
Thinking along the idea of:
Bomber Boys: Reaping the Whirlwing
Depends where you go ! I would suggest it’s a buyers market – so maybe time to talk to the wife nicely!
Your not my old Driffield ATC Adult Warrant Officer from the 1980s, are you?