Would look v nice at a shuttleworth display as a trio act along with a moth and a jungmann/meister. I guess they maybe want similar money to a moth for it ? my main concern would whether there’s any chance the ownership of this could be contested given some of the earlier posts on this topic – always a worry especially in America…
Not a Fiat , It’s an Ansaldo A.C.3 a bit of wiki and a suspicion that it had a slightly French look to it led me to the Ansaldo as120 which has the distinctive wing and was a bitsa between Italian wing and French fuselage and then bingo I spotted the A.C.3
A forum survey could be interesting to confirm the demographic, I consider myself one of the last of the young generation interested in old aircraft although I’m mid 40s now! at school there were a few friends who did the plastic kit and the iconic commando war comic thing (peak readership early 1970s at 1million now 10,000 circa.. hmmm) which is all the sort of things kids don’t do anymore we could go on and on. Uniquely my aviation orientated place of work actually has an Aeroplane monthly on distribution lucky! But in over a decade there’s only been average of 5 on the distribution list for a workforce of approx 5000 and they were all in 50-60 age range. Not doom and gloom just facts. On plus side is compared to all the hugely inflated assets in last 20 years (Escort Mexico £ = Tiger Moth £), historic aircraft in flyable condition IMHO are generally pretty price stable for several reasons it appears there ain’t ever more hordes of wealthy historic aviation buyers out there and I’m not complaining
Alan Clarks peak district air accident website has confirmed my suspicions, he has updated the High shelf Stones B 29 page to offer warning in light of many recent call outs to mountain rescue by hopelessly lost social media lemmings
IIRC in Aeroplane monthly a few years ago interview with Tony Ditheridge of hawker restorations Ltd retired to India? I often wonder why you’d do that unless you were on the hunt for airframes -is he involved in this one?
For a moment I thought that could be owned by an old friend of mine who bought one back in the mid 1990s to keep at his parents house in Monmouthshire, but not if it resides in East anglia.
And you can just hear the silence of the forum
Theres more activity on flyer forum on these cockpits even though they’ll never flyer again
Great and worthy work indeed.
There appears little evidence of the wing structure except for the heavy big items that hang off it, the huge aluminium spars caps would surely survive in long lengths and I doubt the dredger would cut them up, clearly it went in with some force so presumably either:
1) wing recovered years ago with the heavy parts cut off and left in mud or broke off by their own inertia on impact
2) engine/uc parts found had already fallen off wing during midair break up/explosion
The recoveries in recent years from the polders seems to suggest there are no sizebly intact AIRFRAME parts left, I recall they recovered much post war so maybe its a case of what wrecks left were ones too broken up to be worth their while and/or wrecks that have already been partially salvaged in the past?
The best interactivity ive come across has been across the channel the Dutch airforce museum Soesterberg had a headset proximity system that talked you through key exhibits, provided veteran accounts, authentic engine run ups really brought to life even their 100% replica airframes. The St Mere Eglise airborne museum has a superb walk through C47 experience with sound and vibration and as you “jump” out the rear door a wind generator blasts you as you look down at a large floor diorama of the drop zone at night.
So am I right in thinking the key benefit to operation under FAA jurisdiction in UK is that you avoid the potential cost and delay of transfer to CAA?
Can it be assumed the subsequent day to day costs of operating under FAA v CAA remit in UK are comparable and that orgs that can work on these airframes are in similar abundance?
What is the benefit of transferring to CAA in reality ?
I recall reading an opinion somewhere (but may have been different class of aircraft) that once transferred to CAA then retransfer back to FAA is not possible , is this the case or not for a CAA CofA / PtF aircraft?
Having had a look through Bob Ogdens Great Aircraft Collections of the World, Arizona and California stand out in particular and have obvious advantages from an aircraft operational point of view whereas Wisconsin I am informed is somewhat more seasonal.
All warbird Spitfires in the U.K. are operating on CAA PtF, signatories on these hold company authorisations issued by the overseeing Part 23/25 organisation responsible for the maintenance. Acceptance to hold those authorisations are granted to candidates with suitable knowledge and experience on type. Other non-signatory engineers are permitted to work on these types under supervision.
FB
Thanks for the info – just to be clear can you clarify; is it the Part 23/25 organisation or the CAA that grants these authorisations to candidates?
OK, so clarity sake taking a familiar example Supermarine Spitfire in UK operation is it a CAA CofA or CAA PtF aircraft ? what formal qualifications does each of the following require:
Volunteer (unpayed) rookie (is this legally allowed if an approved maintenance org is stipulated for type/ are there work arounds ?)
Employed mechanic
Employed inspector
Chief Tech
All Thanks for the info so far, so looking into the FAA certification type for BT-13 I have found the FAA doc 8130.2J chapter 8 Table 8.1 usefully details the Special Airworthiness Limited Type Certificate category aircraft which is mainly all the familiar ww2 types however the BT-13 is not on there…however from what I’ve read online there are BT-13 on a standard type certificate? , so is there a FAA doc/ list somewhere to confirm this?
on a broader question the table 8.1 misses off warbird types e.g the Bell P39 – so does this mean that any flying are on now on experimental category or could they be standard as well (Im hypothesising that light lower performance warbirds are mostly standard cat and high performance heavy complex types are either “special limited “or “experimental”)
OK, it appears as I suspected that refreshingly, unlike many things in this increasingly regulated world, it’s not about the piece of paperwork qualification you have but about the actual demonstratable skills – but as you say getting skills is harder and harder
can anybody suggest anywhere in the north west of England where classic aircraft restoration and operation is underway as from what ive seen it is particularly absent up here?