To criticise one’s viewing habits is a cheap shot, and a quite pointless dig at someone for the hell of it. Most seem to be getting on the bandwagon about why viewers watch “such terrible” programs, which to me is a little sad and pathetic. Now as a 36 year old I could understand being criticised for watching The Teletubbies, ( I used to watch it, with my kids 😀 ) but people should be a little more tolerable considering we all must share a diverse taste in the Television we choose to watch and not be made to feel like 2nd rate citizens.

Do you not think you are being over sensitive? Why is the criticism a “cheap shot”? No one is “digging” at anyone for hell of it. Those of us who find too much television cheap and tawdry surely have the right of criticism both of the programmes and by extension those who watch. And if some really feel like 2nd rate citizens then it really does say a lot about both them and the programmes. If people feel entirely comfortable watching then they would not feel victimised by the criticism.

Surely Deano we are all free to criticize anybody for anything if we choose. I know we are becoming more and more restricted in what we can do and say by the present government, but an element of free expression remains and we are all free to excercise it, within the accepted bounds of propriety and good manners.

I hate to say it so bluntly, but welcome to the real world! Being in music isn’t always fun and it isn’t always a friendly, nice place to be. I’m lucky in that I’m on a less ‘commercial’ side of things and tour with a band I get on with very well. We go out, we gig, mess around, enjoy ourselves and everything’s generally good, but programs like X-Factor are very much not like that. “puss filled talentless rats” or not, if that’s who they can make the most money out of then that’s who they’ll choose. It has nothing whatsoever to do with talent. I have no doubt those talented people who are rejected will question their own ability, but if they’re strong enough and they want to continue singing and performing, then that’s what they’ll do.

If you come into this industry expecting people to kiss your backside and tell you you’re great all the time then forget it, it just isn’t like that. You will get put down occasionally, you will get told home truths you don’t always want to hear and you will go through times where you wonder if it’s all worth it, and the result of this happening is one of two things; you either give up and quit or you drive yourself through it and carry on. I know that sounds an overly simple way of putting it, but however complex performers are as people (I know, I’m one myself and I’m strange at the best of times), that’s essentially how it is. Almost everyone involved in live performance goes through crap times in varying degrees, it’s just a part of it. I know you feel angry the more talented people are being kicked out in favour of the less talented (I haven’t actually seen any of these people so I can’t comment), but again, sadly it’s just part of it.

Paul

From a professional you have summed it up neatly and honestly. And, in any case, “talent” is different things to different people and judged subjectively, not objectively. That’s why these shows have no interest for me whatsoever. And for us the off button is always available or another room if necessary. As I said earlier it astonishes me that so many people can get so worked about it – the grim dancing show on the BBC is in the same vein. It really does not matter a jot who wins and who loses, except for the winnwers and losers themselves, I suppose.:mad:

Sorry Sky high, the big ‘C’ stands for Capacity and when we talk about the ability of a set of Lithium Polymer batteries to deliver power we use the C rating and add a multiplier.
So if you are (for example) looking at getting a set of cells for a motor that is capable of up to 400 watts that wattage could be supplied by 12.6 volts at 30 amps. (leaving a little safety margin).
(Lithium Polymer cells are supplied at a median voltage of 3.6 or 3.7 volts, but you need to think fully charged voltage for the launch which is 4.2 volts per cell.)
But since we’re looking at Capacity and considering the cells’ ability to supply sufficient current and voltage the 30A could (just) be supplied by a set of 3 cells (referred to as 3s – for 3 in series) of 3000 mah (3ah) capacity that were only capable of delivering 10 times their capacity (10C = 30A).
Alternatively it would be possible to get the required current from a 3s set of 20C cells of only 1500mah.
Or 40C cells of 750mah.
All these would be just capable of doing the job but obviously the last two would not be able to do so for as long a flight as the first set, which has the greatest capacity.
Ducted fan models are not very efficient – so much so that they typically fly for only about half the time of a prop driven aircraft on the same battery pack. They are current-hungry and can drag the voltage down to a level where flight is either sluggish of impossible. It pays therefore to ensure that the current delivery of your power pack is sufficient to deliver the required current without dropping the voltage significantly.

I still use the old technology 10C cells for several of my models – including the Q6 in my avatar, but am steadily converting to Loong Max cells which are capable of delivering 20C – 35C.
There are however some even newer cells that are capable of 40C and of being charged (and look at the caveats before embarking on that course) at 5C, which in the case of our 3000 mah cells would be 3 x 5 = 15A.
Personally I don’t plan to go that route until the Pathfinders have been there!

I hope I have explained that adequately – and I apologise if I have insulted your intelligence!
So yes, whatever model you choose – and I would suggest a prop driven job for a start – you will need to choose a set of cells to power it. The manufacturer will always make his reccommendation, but just don’t skimp on it – it ain’t worth the hassle.
Since cost is an issue have a look at http://www.giantcod.co.uk – it’s the cheapest site I’ve found so far for cells and other bits and pieces.

Thank you very much, that is all extremely helpful and, no, you have certainly not insulted my intelligence – I have lots to learn in this field.

Should I infer from your comments that if I start with an RTF model the manufacturer will only have supplied the minimum power for it to fly adequately rather than at the maximum of its aerodynamic capabilities?

Before you say you’re concerned about my views, go back and re-read my post, only this time actually take it in. I never said such crimes should be dismissed, nor did I even vaguely imply it. I said I personally can’t get wound up about something like this when there are far, far worse things happening in the world. There’s a very big difference between what you’re saying I said and what I actually wrote.

Paul

I did actually rwad your piece carefully, twice, abd there is a degree of hair splitting here due to the interpretation of your phrase, however for the sake of the debate we will use your phrase. I would therefore ask you to define the line you draw between crimes which you do not “get wound up about” and those you do.

I am also assuming that you would not “get wound up about” it if your house or your car was vandalised and a small amount of cash was stolen.

I can’t believe that a trashy talent TV show has generated 2 pages of posts! I never knew so many people gave a damn. 😮

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That seems to be the reason many people find it so offensive, and while I understand why people do find it so offensive (I’m not questioning their reasons or feelings), I can’t really understand why such minor crimes get so much attention. The tin probably had less than 20 quid in it; it’s hardly the biggest crime in the world to steal 20 quid when people are getting raped and murdered every day. I couldn’t agree more that the nerve of the people who stole it is incredible and shows massive disrespect to those who fight for their country (and especially those who lost their lives in doing so), but I just can’t get so wound up about something like this when there are people doing infinitely more disturbing and harmful things to each other.

Paul

Surely if we dismiss “minor” theft then where do we draw a line? A theft, however small, is a theft and must never be condoned. I am surprised and concerned that you hold the view you do.

Presumably you would shrug your shoulders and mutter c’est la vie if your window was broken by a brick being thrown through and your car was vandalised. After all those crimes are as nothing compared to all the serious crime being committed.:confused:

My previous post seems to have disappeared into the ether! I too am just getting back into model flying after a very, very long time. And it will be electric! My last two visits with my grandson to the Southern Model Show sewed the seed and this collection of marvellous photos have galvanised me into doing something about it.

Many of you have written about foamies and it seems a good way to start. How crash susceptible are they and how crash resistant are they? The scale models are not that cheap, so are they value for money?:):)