Hi Andy
A bit teary – just back from the Dawn Service with a few mates – for some reason we are all a bit pissed !!!! couldn’t have been the beer for breakfast!!
Thanks and kindest regards
John
Hi JDK and others
The opening scene from Always features the PBY in a most amazing bit of cinamtography flying head on to the camera picking up a load of water with a couple of very worried fishermen in the way – well worth watching the movie for the A26 and Cat shots if nothing else – I really like it but then I’m a big woose anyway.
Regards
John P
Hi Mike
Glad you are back safe and sound – how many pics?
Hows the Yank
Say Hi to Annia (Spelling?) for me – did she enjoy her shopping trip while you were away!!!!
Kindest regards to you both
John P
Hi Mike
Where exactly are you at present?
Sally B has apparently been flying in the past few days so someone must have cashed up?
To All
How much does it cost to insure a B17 in the US as a comparison.
John P
Hi Mark
How much of the F86 was original and how much was replica and were the data plates and all serials matching – does it have a proper provinance or should it be scrapped and a new one built to replace it (Joke Mark – I couldn’t help myself – Small things amuse small minds )
Kindest regards
John P
PS won my first race in the Aston on Sunday – Classic saloons !!!! No truck category !!!
Hi Gnome
So when do we start the company offering to collect all those nasty dirty old junky aircraft bits from those nice clean restoration shops – We should even do it for free as a public service !!!!
Kindest regards
John
Hi all
As someone who used to play with these types of weapons for a living a Hispano would not benefit from shortning at all and would I imagine not function correctly without a lot of modification – I would opt for their not being there.
Regards
John P
Hi
At the risk of being banished to “the other place” Sally B’s issues have very little to do with governments and more to do with the insurance pricing and assesment processes as I said earlier ………… I have no political axe to grind in the UK – I don’t live there
regards
John P
Hi Mark
I certainly don’t think it need be the case that anything needs to be “scrapped off”.
This is all based on a financial imperitave – the comercial value of a finished article – in a hundred years when all this stuff is in a museum the replicas will not be thought as highly of in financial or historic terms but the authentic remaining parts are another matter.
Just because someone wants a flying Spit/P40 etc doesn’t justify the destruction of an original airframe / wreck and that is the position black and white – easy.
I understand all the provinance BS and all the reasons why the case has been made for scrapping the discarded stuff . I understand I am not going to convince anyone here who has a fixed position. At the end of the day though when I see a perfectly usable and historic load of components go to a smelter I am still going to be upset about it and create a fuss because it is historic vandalism and it needs to stop. We don’t let people go and tear down Stonehenge because it can be crushed and made into road base.
We can have the best of both worlds here if sanity starts to take over. I am a big fan of the replica Warbirds – they are safer – cheaper and a very cost effective way for people to enjoy their favourite historic aircraft. But why should we destroy historic airframes to facilitate it when it isn’t necessary.
Governance arrangements are the key here – Lets just move on to an idea that could help – just suspend all current concepts and work with me a little here.
Ok someone recovers a P40 and wants to create a flying restoration and sends it to a shop to get it done . The restoration facility is geared to rebuild P40s and quite correctly has the capacity to create a scratch build replica – they don’t really need the reference airframe except for Identity because they build these things in a series like a production line and all the parts are built in batches so nothing much goes into the airframe. Next because they are more concerned about identity and because they don’t make money out of static restorations they set aside the original airframe. One of two things then happens sell/ pass on the original material or Scrap it because of provinance issues.
I would hypothecize that a new approach be devised whereby each recovered airframes identity be established and registered. The registration authority would be global in much the same way as a domain registration applies and only one airframe could purport to be that machine be it static or airworthy – if the identity was moved on to another rebuild then the source material could not also be registered as the same aircraft – no registration no provinance – easy. I would also support the idea of allowing aircraft to take on the identity of aircraft known to be totally destroyed and a register of available identities eastblished from which restorers could select appropriate identities – but only once. This already has happened where no identity ever existed on a restoration and an Identity was just invented and the data plate concocted – No issue with that
Anyway some ideas for further discussion
Regards
John P
Hi all
Yes this is all quite bad but it’s not just the Government (either side) – a lot of it has to do with the society we all live in – The yanks of course have set us all on the path to perdition by sueing anything that moves and then awarding 20 gozillion dollars for smoething that should not even have gone to court. Insurance premiums worldwide have gone through the roof and it seems there is little that can be done about it. The liability issues have also had a flow on in the military as well and it’s one of the reasons they don’t do as much displaying etc
IMHO 3 other players have led to this
Individuals who no longer accept responsabilities for their own actions (Contributory negligance)
The legal industry who have a vested interest in as much litigation going through as possible
Insurers who apply risk far too generically in terms of risk assesment (737 Vs B17 argument) Surely it is they who set the preimum for the cover amount and they who could facilitate the discount?
Sally B is a special case as are most historic aircraft but because nobody speaks up then this happens.
Don’t just beat up on the Government – the lobbists need to talk to industry and the legal profession as well.
The aviation industry can also be it’s own worst enemy here – it has to be said that the safety record for warbirds isn’t pristine either – luckily there haven’t been large claims that I am aware of but the incidence of accidents would be something that the actuaries would be looking at.
I am sure a better result can be achieved here but it will take complex discussions with all parties to overcome the issue and be assured the Government has a role to play in bringing all stakeholders together but it is not just a matter of a simplistic ruling.
I am sure this will provoke a response here but I am just trying to point out that this is a complex matter and requires a complex solution.
Regards
John P
Yes Oscar but what did you do with the aeroplane today!
Regards
John P
PS did you read your PM and also do you want to look at the Black O2 pic
Hi Dave
Both were mentioned in NZ about the time of Wanaka in the Christchurch Newspaper and on TV when I stayed there so I don’t think it’s a hoax.
Regards
John P
PS You forgot the Hurricane NEVER forget the Hurricane!!!!!
Also a contingent of 4 Yaks could be mounted from here and a few P40s don’t forget
Hi again Harold
Loverly people run it
I really enjoyed my time there
http://www.sheridans-guides.com/UK/estabdetails.php3?ID=1724&AC=05&WP=05oldwarden&LANG=eng
Hows the Spit?
Kindest regards
JP
Hi Harold
A little further afield (40-45 Mins ) would be the B&B at Old Warden Shop/Post Office – has the benefit of being very close to Old Warden and great as well as being cheaper and next to a very nice Pub – If interested let me know and I will send details
John
Hi Dave
Article on German TV (satellite here inAus) saying the movie is a Goer and that Judy Dench (Dame) and Nicole Kidman were two of the Stars and that a fleet of 40 aircraft was to be involved ?
Regards
John P